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Perhaps it now seems a little less mysterious to some, how some of us seemed to know what was going to come down in Iraq all along. Cheney didn't mention civil war, but it was a brief clip. I imagine the term would have come up, had he continued to expound on the subject.

"Trying to eliminate Saddam, extending the ground war into an occupation of Iraq, would have violated our guideline about not changing objectives in midstream, engaging in "mission creep," and would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible. We had been unable to find Noriega in Panama, which we knew intimately. We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling out as well. Under the circumstances, there was no viable "exit strategy" we could see, violating another of our principles. Furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-Cold War world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different — and perhaps barren — outcome." -- George H. W. Bush

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More ominous than mere stupidity, I think it's more a case of greed.

Cheney's foresight and acumen were usurped by the corporate puppet masters he and the rest of the NeoCons (NewlyConvicted) are truly beholden to.
What happened is that the Neocons decided they wanted a permanent occupying force in Iraq, eliminating the need for an exit strategy. That is what changed, and that has been the agenda all along.

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I'll go a step further, and suggest that there's nothing preventing the Congress - with all of the resources at it's disposal - from pursuing the most strident form of censure available to it as it applies to the President and Vice President's activities leading up to the Iraq war. Let's see what they do with their magic lamp.
Pull your head out, Congree will NOT do anything........I am in Jakarta and even I see that.
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Perhaps it now seems a little less mysterious to some, how some of us seemed to know what was going to come down in Iraq all along. Cheney didn't mention civil war, but it was a brief clip. I imagine the term would have come up, had he continued to expound on the subject.

"Trying to eliminate Saddam, extending the ground war into an occupation of Iraq, would have violated our guideline about not changing objectives in midstream, engaging in "mission creep," and would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible. We had been unable to find Noriega in Panama, which we knew intimately. We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling out as well. Under the circumstances, there was no viable "exit strategy" we could see, violating another of our principles. Furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-Cold War world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different — and perhaps barren — outcome." -- George H. W. Bush
That is a downright heartbreaking quote.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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That's certainly a stark and unnerving piece of video, although years of toothless UN resolutions and an unprecedented attack on American soil (as FTL indicated) certaily sheds a different light on that question.

I don't imagine it will be long until someone poses that question to Cheney - he can't dodge the media forever.

I'll go a step further, and suggest that there's nothing preventing the Congress - with all of the resources at it's disposal - from pursuing the most strident form of censure available to it as it applies to the President and Vice President's activities leading up to the Iraq war. Let's see what they do with their magic lamp.
There is plenty preventing the Congress from doing just that. Are you aware the Justice Department has refused to enforce the subpeonas issued by Congress for Miers and the rest of Bush's cronies?

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