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Musharraf addresses Afghan jirga


Musharraf said both Afghanistan and Pakistan need to work together to rescue their societies [AFP]


The presidents of Pakistan and Afghanistan pledged on Sunday to work together to combat the common security threat of Taliban and al-Qaeda fighters.

Pervez Musharraf flew into Kabul on Sunday at the close of a four-day tribal council.

Relations between him and Hamid Karzai, the Afghan president, have been frosty in recent months.




Both countries pledged not to allow any sanctuaries or training centres for fighters on their soil.

The peace jirga in the Afghan capital brought together about 700 tribal elders, politicians and other figures from both sides of the border.


Mutual mistrust

Musharraf said the neighbours must overcome mutual mistrust and concentrate on this "critical" endeavour".

"Musharraf has spent most of his time being a vassal of Bush and he failed to gauge what exactly was going on within his country. He made enemies!"


He said: "There is no other option for both countries other than peace and unity, trust and co-operation.

"There is no justification for resorting to terrorism."

Before Musharraf's closing address, a joint declaration was distributed to the delegates that summarised the outcome of the jirga.

It called for measures against what it sees as terrorism, including rooting out training grounds, and for the establishment of a council to push for closer co-operation between the two neighbours.

In his address, Musharraf said: "Our societies face a great danger (from) a small minority that create violence and backwardness.

"These forces are disrupting peace and harmony, impeding our progress and development."

Admission

Referring to the Taliban, Musharraf said: "There is no doubt Afghan militants are supported from Pakistan soil. The problem that you have in your region is because support is provided from our side."

But he indicated that even the Taliban have a place in Afghanistan.


The peace jirga in Kabul is being attended by
about 700 tribal elders and politicians [EPA]
He said: "Taliban are part of the Afghan society. Most of them may be ignorant and misguided, but all of them are not diehard militants and fanatics who defy even the most fundamental values of our culture and our faith."

Musharraf had been expected to open the "peace jirga" on Thursday with Karzai but pulled out at the last minute citing security concerns.

He reversed his decision after phone calls from Karzai and Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state.

Kamal Hyder, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Islamabad, said: "A lot of people here are asking if this is too little, too late.

"Musharraf and Karzai have both become unpopular in their own countries and many people say this jirga is not going to achieve anything."

Jirga committees

Delegates had split into committees focused on topics such as the reasons for "terrorism", the fight against drugs - said to finance fighters - and good neighbourliness, Asif Nang, a spokesman, said.

The results of these findings are expected to help the formation of a strategy, to be announced on Sunday, before Musharraf and Karzai were to close the meeting, the spokesman said.

Recommendations are likely to include the establishment of a joint commission to analyse factors fuelling terrorism and another on fighting the drugs trade and organised crime, Afghan media reported on Sunday.

Wave of violence

On the ground, meanwhile, violence continued unabated.

Taliban attacks across Afghanistan have killed 29 people, including four international soldiers and nearly two dozen fighters, military officials said on Sunday.

Three soldiers with the US-led multinational force and their Afghan interpreter were killed near the border with Pakistan when they were hit by a bomb during combat, the force said in a statement.

Taliban fighters were responsible for the attack in Nangarhar province, a spokesman said, claiming the soldiers were US nationals.

British death

Earlier, the British defence ministry announced that a British soldier was killed and five wounded after their patrol came under fire from Taliban fighters in southern Afghanistan on Saturday.

The attack was in the volatile Sangin district of Helmand province. Fighters also ambushed an Afghan army patrol in Sangin overnight, the Afghan ministry of defence said.

The attack sparked a fierce gun battle in which seven fighters were killed and seven wounded, it said.

Fighter jets were called in to attack ground targets after the Taliban stormed an Afghan army post in southern Uruzgan province on Saturday.
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Whoosh.

I read your thread title and thought you were typing with a mouthful of marbles...

I would agree that the taliban have a place in Afghanistan ... face down in the sewage canals, heads under the surface.

Not that I have an opinion...

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Last time I came through Kabul was in 77 or so, in the good old hippie days.
People would actually hitch hike from Europe to Goa or Nepal, and get there in one piece. I miss those innocent times.
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I would agree that the taliban have a place in Afghanistan ... face down in the sewage canals, heads under the surface.

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Sounds like some agricultural experiment..
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Kamal Hyder, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Islamabad, said: "A lot of people here are asking if this is too little, too late.

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Thats the best news I've heard out of Pakistan in a while. At least it is an effort to give the region a chance to step up, though a long way still from success against the most formidable of foes.

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Last time I came through Kabul was in 77 or so, in the good old hippie days.
People would actually hitch hike from Europe to Goa or Nepal, and get there in one piece. I miss those innocent times.
"They all look like hippies and drop-outs and a load of teenage trouble,", comments one trucker, a man in his forties, "then you talk to them and discover that they are rfeally nice kids. Honestly, I admire them, they've had the guts to get up and go and do something for themselves and packed in more in a couple of years than most of their parents have done in a lifetime. I do everything I can to help them".

.....A tall blonde girl from Blackpool walked into Williams and Glynn's Bank in Quetta, Pakistan, smiled and said, "Oh, you're English. What's going on? What's all the fuss about? I've just come from Afghanistan, and there are soldiers everywhere."

Bound for India to sit at the foot of a guru, she had hitch-hiked through the Russian invasion and never noticed a thing.


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Everyday but Friday, large groups of hippies used to congregate at the Kabul post office, waiting for money orders from home. Chicken Street was the happening place. Otto's was a hostelry with a cool courtyard to hang out in (free tea from a huge samovar), and good hash. They used to have a kind of marmalade like spread to mess with newcomers. People would get talked into putting a little on bread etc. and would get completely blitzed. The only Afghan hound I ever saw over there belonged to an English Girl.
But we did meet Japanese hippies, no kidding.
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'80's hippies.

Wow you really lived it. I had a friend from high schoolin California who went through there back then. He said when he was in Afghanistan, he stayed nights in monasteries and ate turnips.

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"All great cities have secret centres where the cognoscenti gather, obscure places which present unpretentious faces to the rest of the world but are widely known to those who need to know them. The Pudding Shop is in no guide book to Istanbul lyet it is known to the travelling youth of the whole world. Even Japanese arrive at the Pudding Shop.

It is a seedy double-fronted shop directly facing the Suleymaniye Mosque, the windows are curtained in ragged drapes and the name is barely discernable. Inside on the right is a self-serve food counter with an array of cafeteria foods which look as if they could have been there since last week. The fried eggs on the savoury mince have set solid, turned pale and withered at the edges; they were like that yesterday and do not seem to have been touched. the tables are plastic topped, covered with red check table cloths; Efes lager bottles, Coke cans, fruit drink drink cans and cigarette packets clutter their surfaces.

The clientele is young and talkative; the men with beards and floppy-brimmed hats, the girls with long, free-flowing hair. Smoke and chatter fill the air; they sit all day long drinking Coke, beer and chi. Upstairs is another bar/dining room but more on the style of a club. The youngsters look like all the youngsters the world complains about--unkempt, uncaring, defiant. In a word, drop-outs. then you talk to them and discover that they are the kids next door doing their thing. And, under the bravado, they are slightly awed and diffident. From all corners of the world theycome to the Pudding Shop to find their way around the rest of the world. A lot of them have travelled remarkable distances and done astonishing things, pushing back frontiers and visiting countries which, only a few short years ago, were the preserve of professional travellers. Nepal is now commonplace, some have been to Tibet, nearly all have traversed the length and breadth of the subcontinent of India; they have all taken in Indo-China, the islands of Oceania, Asia and Europe--all on a few pennies and a lot of ingenuity. Mostly they have managed to look after themselves very well and steer clear of trouble.


This is the crux of the Pudding Shop's importance to the teenage globetrotters. By the food bar there is a noticeboard which, particularly in the high summer travelling season, carries dozens of messages.

'Hildegard, Joanna, German, require lift to Essen, guaranteed no trouble."

'Jackie, Australian nurse, good sport, wants lift to England with nice, friendly, driver.'

'Anyone going Denmark??? Zelda, 19, good fun and cooperative, leave Thurs, Fri, Sat. Belgium, Holland will do. Ring Mocamp.'

'TWO, TWO,TWO Dutch girl students going Amsterdam, good time guaranteed"

'I will go East as far as you are --- anywhere, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India. Will pay own way, good company.'

'Two English roses to be plucked here in Istanbul. Take us anywhere nice in Europe.'

They throw their sex around a bit in the 1980's fashion and in a way which would shock their grandmothers, but they get around. And travelling with the truckers, they are pretty safe, they will not come to much harm. the girls are wise, they will be well protected through some situations which otherwise could be very hairy indeed."

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