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Would you feel better if they used the median?
It would be a more credible number to use. If the Pentagon was secure with their numbers [and plan] they would be more likely to use numbers that were considered normal reporting. Basing gains off of spikes are not considered normal and in some trades will get you fined.

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Of course it was. Past tense
Yes, WAS, because it would not be a book if it were future tense, just a book idea.

And I was just yanking your chain anyway. I figured you could gUage that.

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You state that "... they are not considered terrorists as you wrote in the opening paragraph of the post." Maybe you could clarify, for me, exactly what YOU think they are, if not terrorists?"
Did you not read the rest of the post?

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They would be soldiers, insurgents, or Freedom Fighters depending on the perspective, but not terrorists.
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It has to do with what a terrorist is. If folks, like the guys blowing shit up in Iraq are in the middle of a Civil War, or Occupation, or Sectarian violence they are considered to be a lot of things [some posted above, and above that earlier] but that is not a terrorist.

A terrorist act is one where XXX does violence against a group of YYY in an unexpected setting, therefore causing a sense of "terror".

Anyone who is still in Iraq, or anyone who is involved with Iraq [from the Administration or Pentagon to journalists] would have to be brain dead to not have an expectation of violence in the everyday setting. That, in itself negates the "unexpected setting" concept of an act of violence.

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Did you not read the rest of the post?

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It has to do with what a terrorist is. If folks, like the guys blowing shit up in Iraq are in the middle of a Civil War, or Occupation, or Sectarian violence they are considered to be a lot of things [some posted above, and above that earlier] but that is not a terrorist.

A terrorist act is one where XXX does violence against a group of YYY in an unexpected setting, therefore causing a sense of "terror".

Anyone who is still in Iraq, or anyone who is involved with Iraq [from the Administration or Pentagon to journalists] would have to be brain dead to not have an expectation of violence in the everyday setting. That, in itself negates the "unexpected setting" concept of an act of violence.
I still think you are dogging my question: Exactly what would YOU call "the guys blowing shit up in Iraq? It is a total cop-out, IMO, to say it depends on their motivation. I don't give a damn what the motivation of guys blowing up US soldiers in Iraq might be--they are fucking TERRORISTS! By any damn definition...

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I still think you are dogging my question: Exactly what would YOU call "the guys blowing shit up in Iraq? It is a total cop-out, IMO, to say it depends on their motivation. I don't give a damn what the motivation of guys blowing up US soldiers in Iraq might be--they are fucking TERRORISTS! By any damn definition...
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I still think you are dogging my question: Exactly what would YOU call "the guys blowing shit up in Iraq? It is a total cop-out, IMO, to say it depends on their motivation. I don't give a damn what the motivation of guys blowing up US soldiers in Iraq might be--they are fucking TERRORISTS! By any damn definition...
I fully understand what you are saying. An example. In the US Civil War, neither the soldiers, civilians or foreign fighters [from either side] would be considered a terrorist even in today's terms. The same with the Revolutionary War. Neither our guys [not an organized Army in many areas], the Brits, the French, Germans or any other fighters would be considered TERRORISTS. They blew stuff up, killed folks and were every bit as mean and nasty as today's fighters are but, they were doing so in the confines of a WARZONE. Just like Iraq.

I am not dodging your question, or dogging you for that matter, I answered the question. The guys blowing shit up are Insurgents, partisans, warriors, soldiers, mean shits, Freedom Fighters, religious zealots. They are a lot of things but they don't meet any definition of terrorist. That is a spin word in the context of Iraq. [caveat: it can be said that terror cells are forming in Iraq but for them to BE terrorists, they would have to ply their wares in unsuspected places, and there are not unsuspected places in Iraq. It is a WARZONE]

Oklahoma City=Terrorist act
NYC 9/11+Terrorist act
British Subway Bombing=Terrorist act
Bombing in Sarajevo in 1995 NOT Terrorist act
Bombing of Mosque in Basra NOT Terrorist act
Bombing in Kabul 2006 NOT a Terrorist act

The differences are that the first three were in unexpected situations, without a preconceived expectation of violence and "terror".

The last three were events that all took place within the confines of war, by warring factions in places and times that there could be a reasonable expectation that violence would exist.

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This is going to really disappoint some of you terrorist sympathisers here, but the number of truck bombs and other large al-Qaeda-style attacks in Iraq have declined nearly 50% since the United States started increasing troop levels in Iraq about six months ago, according to the U.S. military command in Iraq.

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what type of proppaganda is this?
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I fully understand what you are saying. An example. In the US Civil War, neither the soldiers, civilians or foreign fighters [from either side] would be considered a terrorist even in today's terms. The same with the Revolutionary War. Neither our guys [not an organized Army in many areas], the Brits, the French, Germans or any other fighters would be considered TERRORISTS. They blew stuff up, killed folks and were every bit as mean and nasty as today's fighters are but, they were doing so in the confines of a WARZONE. Just like Iraq.

I am not dodging your question, or dogging you for that matter, I answered the question. The guys blowing shit up are Insurgents, partisans, warriors, soldiers, mean shits, Freedom Fighters, religious zealots. They are a lot of things but they don't meet any definition of terrorist. That is a spin word in the context of Iraq. [caveat: it can be said that terror cells are forming in Iraq but for them to BE terrorists, they would have to ply their wares in unsuspected places, and there are not unsuspected places in Iraq. It is a WARZONE]

Oklahoma City=Terrorist act
NYC 9/11+Terrorist act
British Subway Bombing=Terrorist act
Bombing in Sarajevo in 1995 NOT Terrorist act
Bombing of Mosque in Basra NOT Terrorist act
Bombing in Kabul 2006 NOT a Terrorist act

The differences are that the first three were in unexpected situations, without a preconceived expectation of violence and "terror".

The last three were events that all took place within the confines of war, by warring factions in places and times that there could be a reasonable expectation that violence would exist.
Squirm all you want, the people blowing up US troops in Iraq are terrorists! You list those six things above and define them in your own terms, but you fail to list and identify what YOU would call those guys in Iraq blowing up our guys. Ever think you might be happier in another country? I suspect a lot of people in this country would be happier if you were in another country rather than pretending to be an American...

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what type of proppaganda is this?
What is proppaganda?

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