Originally Posted by deathrattle
"The whole thing was made by the supreme being".
Oh really? Evidence? And what exactly brought this 'supreme being' into exstence?
For some the fact that "it" "is" is sufficient evidence. For others the needless and pointless arguing about the origin of shit we don't understand is enough of a waste of time to invent a means to "give" the stuff we agree we don't understand, and all the shit we don't know enough yet to even suspect it may exist, to the other side in the hope they will leave us alone while we go about gathering more information, and discovering more of the rules. The only condition of the gift is that when one of the items that was "given" to the other side becomes something we can explain, they have to give it back. Since the list of shit we don't understand is so big, the few items that come back now and then won't matter unless we attach excessive and unwarranted additional concessions to it - like they can't have their creator anymore.
For others it is much more valuable to argue and create hate and discontent over issues that will never be decided in any of our lifetimes. They somehow perversely enjoy wasting all that intellectual capacity while tempting and taunting the hordes of "faithful" to strike out at them. I don't see it. I am happy to strike an agreement where I freely acknowledge the limits of my, and the body of science's ability to explain our observations. The most troubling question, "why?" is not one that is even being worked on, because, in the grand scheme of things we don't even know enough of what "is" to frame a good "why?" question. Given the "why?" question is the one that ultimately involves the (deus ex machina, also fabricated by others but at a time when the right form of the question was even more poorly articulated) invention of a creator, a supreme being, the "jurisdiction" of the supreme being and creator should be constrained to the "why?" question, and not the "what?" and "when?" and "how?" questions that are better answered, in time, by science.
Until I see some better evidence there is no creator behind the "why?" question, I find the argument that there is no creator pretty thin. It is much like the question of "where does the Universe end?" If it you say it ends or has an edge somewhere, what is on the other side of the end or edge? All pretty pointless shit when the mortgage is due.