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It won't be the "Midnight Express" either, but how about serving in an Iraqi jail run by Iraqis?
If you want to take a look at this kind of thing on a larger scale, study up a bit on the history of the U.S. military in Okinawa. For many years, Pentagon policy in regard to U.S. military personnel committing crimes abroad was to order a speedy transfer stateside. They handled these criminals the same way the Catholic church handled pedophiles as a matter of due course.

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I wouldn't exactly call 10 years in a military prison a "token gesture".
I consider myself liberal, but in light of the nature and circumstances of their crimes, I consider 10 years wholly inadequate.
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I don't know the specifics of the case well enough to say, but I agree 10 years seems inadequate for those service personnel who actively participated in the crime. In regard to the hanger-onners, the details are everything..... But either way, and adequate or not, a 10 year stretch in a military prison is no walk in the park.

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If you want to take a look at this kind of thing on a larger scale, study up a bit on the history of the U.S. military in Okinawa. For many years, Pentagon policy in regard to U.S. military personnel committing crimes abroad was to order a speedy transfer stateside. They handled these criminals the same way the Catholic church handled pedophiles as a matter of due course.
You mean they end up in remote siminaries soacking up the sun?
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I don't know the specifics of the case well enough to say, but I agree 10 years seems inadequate for those service personnel who actively participated in the crime. In regard to the hanger-onners, the details are everything..... But either way, and adequate or not, a 10 year stretch in a military prison is no walk in the park.
Are not military prisons run with the guage 'we look after our own' mentality, irrespective of the crime? In this country, in civilian prisons, rapists and child killers are treated as scum and warders tend to look away when inmates take matters into their own hands. I have no concept of the way in which military prisons are run on either side of the pond.
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Are not military prisons run with the guage 'we look after our own' mentality, irrespective of the crime? In this country, in civilian prisons, rapists and child killers are treated as scum and warders tend to look away when inmates take matters into their own hands. I have no concept of the way in which military prisons are run on either side of the pond.
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I don't know the specifics of the case well enough to say, but I agree 10 years seems inadequate for those service personnel who actively participated in the crime. In regard to the hanger-onners, the details are everything..... But either way, and adequate or not, a 10 year stretch in a military prison is no walk in the park.
I believe that this jackass didn't actually touch anybody. He was complicit by inaction to prevent it, stood guard while the others raped & murdered, then helped cover it up afterwards. I don't know whether the others have been tried yet.

I'll bet FTL has the details and is eager to share pictures of it all. I can hardly wait for a deeply meaningful contribution from His Nuttiness.
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Lt William Calley in the My Lai massacre got Life for killing 109 civilian Viets, then 20 years, then 10, served 3 and 1/2 and then went home.

That's a precedent for this.
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The man is accused of being a look out, that’s all.
He was a participant in, and part of the cover up of rape and murder. What more reason for conviction should there be.

Some folks want to give him slack because he was only a lookout yet many are the same folks that want to convict all Muslims because of the actions of a few.

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The following is from the Washington Post. I edited-out over half of it to just leave in the portions concerning the adjudication.

Spielman was convicted Friday of rape, conspiracy to commit rape, housebreaking with intent to rape and four counts of felony murder.

Military prosecutors did not say Spielman took part in the rape or murders but alleged that he went to the house knowing what the others intended to do and served as a lookout.

Spielman took the stand to petition jurors for leniency before he was sentenced.

"I don't really blame my chain of command. I don't really blame anybody," he said quietly. "I could have stopped it. I take responsibility for my actions."
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Spielman had pleaded guilty Monday to lesser charges of conspiracy to obstructing justice, arson, wrongfully touching a corpse and drinking. The 110-year sentence encompasses those crimes, too.

The case stemmed from the March 12, 2006, rape and slaying of Abeer Qassim al-Janabi, 14, and the killings of her parents and sister in Mahmudiyah, about 20 miles south of Baghdad.

Sgt. Paul E. Cortez, Spec. James Barker and Pfc. Bryan L. Howard pleaded guilty for their roles. Steven D. Green, who was discharged from the Army before being charged, faces a possible death sentence when he is tried in federal court in Kentucky. He has pleaded not guilty to charges that include murder and sexual assault.

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