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Unions are going the way of the dinosaur

And none-to-soon, IMO. They are trying to hang on as open-shop laws gain ground. Unions used to serve a purpose, but as time goes on and the global economy gains strength, it is now clear that unions hurt our economy.

Open-shop laws threaten unions - USATODAY.com

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Gee, so is middle class America. What a coincidence.

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Republican backed corporations gave us the punch clock

Democratic backed Unions gave us the weekend

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Republican backed corporations gave us the punch clock

Democratic backed Unions gave us the weekend
You must be a historian: ancient history.

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I blame the unions for destroying the hard-working American. Unions are responsible for making the average American worker a lazy fuck-tard who looks forward to the weekend to "get drunk" and who now believes that his labor is worth much more than it is. I am SERIOUSLY considering doing the same. I am paying roughly $3000-$4000/month for transcription services for all the dictation I do along with my partner. I recently ran into an Indian fellow at a doctor's party who has a transcription services business that he runs from India. If I were to use him, i would have 2 distinct advantages:
1. I would be paying around $400-$500/month! This BTW is 10X less than what I am paying now!
2. Due to time differences, I would actually get back everything sent via e-mail or fax at night while I am sleeping so everything would be waiting on my desk first thing in the morning to sign, whereas it takes an average of 2 days to get my stuff back with a local USA company.

I am seriously considering this as NOT doing it would be much more of a moronic thing for me to do since I can pocket an extra $3000/month! Put in another way, I WOULD BE SAVING $36,000/YEAR! If I can save an additional $36K/year then I don't give a damn about the American worker or the business I would hurt as I would NOT put the interests of an American worker or business before mine. The American worker has basically become cocky, lazy and expects much more than his labor or job is worth.
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That's the best comeback you have???

It's true, you can't deny that, Jayhawk.

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I blame the unions for destroying the hard-working American. Unions are responsible for making the average American worker a lazy fuck-tard who looks forward to the weekend to "get drunk" and who now believes that his labor is worth much more than it is. I am SERIOUSLY considering doing the same. I am paying roughly $3000-$4000/month for transcription services for all the dictation I do along with my partner. I recently ran into an Indian fellow at a doctor's party who has a transcription services business that he runs from India. If I were to use him, i would have 2 distinct advantages:
1. I would be paying around $400-$500/month! This BTW is 10X less than what I am paying now!
2. Due to time differences, I would actually get back everything sent via e-mail or fax at night while I am sleeping so everything would be waiting on my desk first thing in the morning to sign, whereas it takes an average of 2 days to get my stuff back with a local USA company.

I am seriously considering this as NOT doing it would be much more of a moronic thing for me to do since I can pocket an extra $3000/month! Put in another way, I WOULD BE SAVING $36,000/YEAR! If I can save an additional $36K/year then I don't give a damn about the American worker or the business I would hurt as I would NOT put the interests of an American worker or business before mine. The American worker has basically become cocky, lazy and expects much more than his labor or job is worth.
There is another side to this of which perhaps you are not aware.

It's quite true that some Unions are untouchable (One of the worst is the San Francisco TWU which is run by African Americans who WILL scream racism if you even LOOK at them askance) but Unions in the USA arose as a DIRECT response to vicious and callous exploitation by out of control capitalist Industrialists.

It was not only a decent living wage they fought for, but also decent health and safety conditions, ending child labor in the 19th century, and backbreaking working conditions imposed on the workers.

Left untrammelled, unbridled capitalism would surge again with such abuses.
You can find them in non union plants all over South East Asia, Africa and other areas where Unions are unheard of.

All I am saying is that your remarks seemed uninformed and emotional based on your personal experience.

Certainly SOME Unions have crippled the employers with excessive conditions won, the Auto Workers with their "Job Banks" are one example, and the Post Office seems like another, but workers are all entitled to a decent wage, health care, beenefits for retirement, reasonalble, safe working conditions and freedom from exploitation.

I spent awhile as a Union Shop steward, and what I hated most about that was I was forced to represent the lowest common denominator in disputes; ie, the occasion lazy guy who had PAID UNION DUES.....he gets the same advocacy as the hard working guy. The Union has no choice, about this

Your generalizations are overbroad and too sweeping to be completely true...

I am unfamiliar with Medical Transcription, or the need therefor, so I wonder what happens if you decide you just don't like it, and go without it. (I know nothing about Medical Practice)

However, I DO know about Legal Transcription, required in Courtrooms and Legal Depositions. The Court reporters have to take down EVERY word spoken by all witnesses, Judges, and lawyers, even when they interrupt one another, and need to do it accurately.

The transcripts are due very quickly, and in Death Penalty cases, THE NEXT MORNING. A reporter would have to work 9-5 in the Court room reporting, and then be REQUIRED to produce written, typed bound transcripts the NEXT morning. Those who tried would need to work to 1-2am in the morning to do it.

They were well paid, but WORTH it. The nes who couldn't would hire transcribers as contractors to work at night to produce those. It requires technological knowledge of legal and (for expert testimony) medical terminology.

I suppose in your work you could outsource this work to India, but be aware of the perils if you do so, it sounds to me that it could be a trap for the unwary if a well meaning soul from India did the work but mistranslated a critical term or missed a subtle point.

That could cost you BIG time I think, if a bad mistake got inadvertantly made.
Not sure how it works in your business, but for sure it is a big risk in the legal.

All I am saying is that what your words say are kind of a rant in a way, borne of frustration and rage.

There is another side to that story, what you paid for doesn't just appear by magic on your desk, some damn hard work and training is involved.

I hope this helped, a little bit. I feel that I have been on the "other side" of these things and wanted to give you that perspective

And be sure, I have the highest regtard for Doctors, it is a difficult and much esteemed profession to be sure

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I blame the unions for destroying the hard-working American. Unions are responsible for making the average American worker a lazy fuck-tard who looks forward to the weekend to "get drunk" and who now believes that his labor is worth much more than it is. I am SERIOUSLY considering doing the same. I am paying roughly $3000-$4000/month for transcription services for all the dictation I do along with my partner. I recently ran into an Indian fellow at a doctor's party who has a transcription services business that he runs from India. If I were to use him, i would have 2 distinct advantages:
1. I would be paying around $400-$500/month! This BTW is 10X less than what I am paying now!
2. Due to time differences, I would actually get back everything sent via e-mail or fax at night while I am sleeping so everything would be waiting on my desk first thing in the morning to sign, whereas it takes an average of 2 days to get my stuff back with a local USA company.

I am seriously considering this as NOT doing it would be much more of a moronic thing for me to do since I can pocket an extra $3000/month! Put in another way, I WOULD BE SAVING $36,000/YEAR! If I can save an additional $36K/year then I don't give a damn about the American worker or the business I would hurt as I would NOT put the interests of an American worker or business before mine. The American worker has basically become cocky, lazy and expects much more than his labor or job is worth.

heh, heh.....go for it Doc! We get a lot of specialist information material prepared through out-sourcing indirectly to India - not only immensely cheap but meticulous in timescales, presentation and composition! Best of all - no spelling errors! heh, heh........
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I blame the unions for destroying the hard-working American. Unions are responsible for making the average American worker a lazy fuck-tard who looks forward to the weekend to "get drunk" and who now believes that his labor is worth much more than it is. I am SERIOUSLY considering doing the same. I am paying roughly $3000-$4000/month for transcription services for all the dictation I do along with my partner. I recently ran into an Indian fellow at a doctor's party who has a transcription services business that he runs from India. If I were to use him, i would have 2 distinct advantages:
1. I would be paying around $400-$500/month! This BTW is 10X less than what I am paying now!
2. Due to time differences, I would actually get back everything sent via e-mail or fax at night while I am sleeping so everything would be waiting on my desk first thing in the morning to sign, whereas it takes an average of 2 days to get my stuff back with a local USA company.

I am seriously considering this as NOT doing it would be much more of a moronic thing for me to do since I can pocket an extra $3000/month! Put in another way, I WOULD BE SAVING $36,000/YEAR! If I can save an additional $36K/year then I don't give a damn about the American worker or the business I would hurt as I would NOT put the interests of an American worker or business before mine. The American worker has basically become cocky, lazy and expects much more than his labor or job is worth.
I used to sell transcription services from India. You're an idiot if you don't do it. They do excellent work. Do it now, because when the Democrats get back in, we are going to tax the fucking shit out of it, so you can give the money you used to spend to us instead of some fucktard. There, doesn't that make you feel better?

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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