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I'm so impressed with what the unions have done for the American automobile industry that I now drive German & Japanese made cars.

The union represents my employees, they would get the same pay and benefits without the union. Only difference -- the employees pay their hard earned money to the mafia each and every payday.

Jimmy Hoffa was a good start, just need to cull out a bunch more of the union leadership.

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heh, heh...loadsa BULLSHIT! heh, heh......this guy likes to listen to his own "words!" heh, heh........
^^^said the "expert" minger HEH HEH

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heh, heh.....go for it Doc![/B] We get a lot of specialist information material prepared through out-sourcing indirectly to India - not only immensely cheap but meticulous in timescales, presentation and composition! Best of all - no spelling errors! heh, heh........
Go for it, at your peril. I'm sure there is NO risk of missing cultural nuances and meanings by people in India who never lived for any appreciable time in this country.

Undoubtedly this "Punjabi" person is an utterly unbiased source regarding ANYTHING whatsoever in America, based on his previous posts here.

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And none-to-soon, IMO. They are trying to hang on as open-shop laws gain ground. Unions used to serve a purpose, but as time goes on and the global economy gains strength, it is now clear that unions hurt our economy.
I agree with J, but not in the way that he would like. Unions are going away because American Corporations are outsourcing their manufacturing jobs to foreign countries where labor laws and environmental laws mean that their manufacturing costs go down and they are able to skate issues like chromium and cadmium pollution issues that plague American manufacturing [since that pesky EPA has a problem with Chrome byproducts getting into the water table and China doesn't have that issue].

On the other hand, as more and more manufacturing jobs leave American shores, there is a vacuum that has to be filled to allow all of those displaced workers to have work available at a living wage. For the past 20 years that has been technology, with many skilled craftsmen cross training to programming and server management. Now, however those jobs are the next tier that is moving offshore, with nearly 1.5 million technical workers offshored in just the past FIVE years. Those high taxpayers are now starting to find other work with less pay and fewer benefits [such as less or no paid health insurance].

What jobs are going to fill that vacuum now that both the manufacturing and technical sectors are gone?

The only people in this country that the "global economy" truly helps right now is those who make their primary living off of stock market trading, those getting a large percentage of their income in Corporate bonuses and those who deal in offshore investments.

The rest of Americans [about 80%] just get screwed as jobs go offshore, H1Bs come here, the Dollar depresses to RECORD lows and no longer is the Trading Standard and aggregate benefits reduce as companies continue to match US wage packages with their offshore packages.

Amazing that every other industrialized country has unions yet the US is the only one that seems to whine about them.

Apparently greed and Avarice are not part of the "Global" economy, just much more localized to the US.

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I'm so impressed with what the unions have done for the American automobile industry that I now drive German & Japanese made cars.
Your SLK was made with UNION labor in a full union shop. If you Jamanese car was made in Japan, it too was Union made. If in the US, there was a 40% chance it was Union made.

There there are the parts. Most of the parts of the Camry are from Union shops while the car itself is a non Union shop. Of course they pay HIGHER wages than Union to keep it that way, including a very good benefits program after you get hired. Of course an employee has to work through a temp agency for two years and can be fired any day for any reason [like wife having a child].

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I'm so impressed with what the unions have done for the American automobile industry that I now drive German & Japanese made cars.
No doubt then, your wise decision was based on the belief that it was the Unions who decided what content went into the cars; that it was the Union who designed the Pintos that exploded, Explorers that rolled over, the Oldsmobile diesels that were built on gas engine blocks, and on and on.

I personally chose to drive Japanese and German cars (MB & Subaru Outback) based on factors other than the Union representation or the lack thereof.

Other factors drove my decision.


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The union represents my employees, they would get the same pay and benefits without the union. Only difference -- the employees pay their hard earned money to the mafia each and every payday.

Jimmy Hoffa was a good start, just need to cull out a bunch more of the union leadership.
Good soundbite, but do really believe *all* Unions other than the ILWU are or were controlled by the Mafia?

And can you cite sources to back it up?

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I used to sell transcription services from India. You're an idiot if you don't do it. They do excellent work. Do it now, because when the Democrats get back in, we are going to tax the fucking shit out of it, so you can give the money you used to spend to us instead of some fucktard. There, doesn't that make you feel better?
They would charge me tax on $400 instead of me paying $3500. So let them go ahead and charge the tax. i say let 'em charge me 100% tax on $400. I will still come out on top about $2200/month. BTW, yes they do an excellent job. All the doctors who do it are very happy. I have yet to hear a complaint.

Cascade you made some good points. To answer a couple of your questions, Medical transcription is just as important if not more than legal transcription. Of course a doctor can not nor has the time to write or type everything about the patients that is to become a medical record. If a doctor wrote everything down or typed in the patients chart then he would only be able to see 5 patients per day. Therefore he dictates and his dictation is used to type every word out on paper which become part of the patients permanent record. So a doctor can't just get up one day and say that he won't do it. If doctors stopped, then people would be dying left and right. It would be chaotic.

On the other hand, the highest paid field in medicine is radiology. You know, free time and golf life style? Well guess what? In order to have that kind of lifestyle, Radiologists have to read 1000s of radio-graphs every month, which is physically impossible. Guess what's happening? The doctors are outsourcing these radio-graphs to doctors in India who read them and send the results back to them over the net and the US radiologist just signs the record. If you have had any radiology work done such as MRI's , Cat-scan, etc, chances are that it was read and interpreted by some Indian doc thousands of miles away and the only thing your radiologist here in the USA did was to sign the papers!
Elective surgeries are also being outsourced to India! Food for thought. Many insurance companies encourage their patients to go to doctors abroad and get these procedures done as it saves the insurance companies tons of money and these doctors abroad are s good or better than their US counterparts as if they weren't then these insurance companies would be sued up the tail end and would be bankrupt by now. An example is that if you had a CABG, (in layman terms, a triple bypass) with a week in the hospital, you would be looking at a bill close to $100,000. The same procedure would be performed for less than $10,000 including first class airline tickets and your complimentary stay in 5 star hotels after your recovery as a "bonus" vacation.
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^^^^^Thank you for the education, Doctor!!

That's really amazing. I totally believe you.

No matter what else, there is an ENORMOUS pool of brain power in India, that by fortune of birth, is at an economic disadvantage.

Finding a way that can inure to the benefit of BOTH Americans AND Indians is the tricky question, the Gordian knot or whateverr you want to call it.

Whether outsourcing of everything from America is the answer, I am not sure.
As an American I think not, if it costs wholesale loss of American jobs; but yes if it provides access (for example to health care) where it otherwise wouldn't

And yes, as an American, in a subordinate way if it helps give Indians a chance they would be otherwise denied.

The trick is to achieve some kind of a win/win situation. Each countriy has its warts and unique national and ethic problems; India and USA are good allies nonetheless.

My personal experience with people from India is that they are ethical, brilliant and resourceful. Totally positive which is which I find racism against them abhorrent

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It's true, you can't deny that, Jayhawk.
Can't deny what...?

Don't believe everything you think
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^^^^^Thank you for the education, Doctor!!

That's really amazing. I totally believe you.

No matter what else, there is an ENORMOUS pool of brain power in India, that by fortune of birth, is at an economic disadvantage.

Finding a way that can inure to the benefit of BOTH Americans AND Indians is the tricky question, the Gordian knot or whateverr you want to call it.

Whether outsourcing of everything from America is the answer, I am not sure.
As an American I think not, if it costs wholesale loss of American jobs; but yes if it provides access (for example to health care) where it otherwise wouldn't

And yes, as an American, in a subordinate way if it helps give Indians a chance they would be otherwise denied.

The trick is to achieve some kind of a win/win situation. Each countriy has its warts and unique national and ethic problems; India and USA are good allies nonetheless.

My personal experience with people from India is that they are ethical, brilliant and resourceful. Totally positive which is which I find racism against them abhorrent
heh, heh....which part of India do you originate from? heh, heh.......
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