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Arm chair generals help shape surge in Iraq

WASHINGTON (Map, News) - When it comes to the troop surge in Iraq, a bunch of arm chair generals in Washington are influencing the Bush Administration as much as the Joint Chiefs or theater commanders.
A group of military experts at the American Enterprise Institute, concerned that the U.S. was on the verge of a calamitous failure in Iraq, almost single handedly convinced the White House to change its strategy.
They banded together at AEI headquarters in downtown Washington early last December and hammered out the surge plan during a weekend session. It called for two major initiatives to defeat the insurgency: reinforcing the troops and restoring security to Iraqi neighborhoods. Then came trips to the White House by AEI military historian Frederick Kagan, retired Army Gen. John Keane and other surge proponents.
More and more officials began attending the sessions. Even Vice President Dick Cheney came. "We took the results of our planning session immediately to people in the administration," said AEI analyst Thomas Donnelly, a surge planner. "It became sort of a magnet for movers and shakers in the White House." Donnelly said the AEI approach won out over plans from the Pentagon and U.S. Central Command. The two Army generals then in charge of Iraq had opposed a troop increase.
In January, President Bush announced the surge, which kicked off the next month. "I think without the AEI exercise, it would be highly unlikely we would have followed a completely different course over the last six months in Iraq," Donnelly said.
Keane already had done some ground work. He won a private meeting with then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld in September. The retired four-star bluntly told him that he would lose the war unless he changed tactics.
The emergence of AEI as a power player on Iraq belies the notion that neo-conservatives are on the decline in Washington. AEI brags an impressive roster of neo-con thinkers. Former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, an Iraq war architect, arrived at AIE this summer, joining such prominent conservatives as John Bolton, David Frum and Michael Ledeen.
With its plan in place, the AEI Iraq team is not sitting still. Keane is an adviser to Army Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq. He has inspected war conditions on two visits. Kagan left for Iraq this week.
"It was kind of the 11th hour, 59th minute," Donnelly said of AEI's surge plan. "It's the function that think tanks are supposed to perform to provide independent advice and analysis."
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Ok, so when does our President use his own brain?

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Except for people like Jayhawk who are deaf dumb and blind it is obvious that strategy isn't working, and won't work. Putting the US army where a police action against criminals is needed is doomed to failure.

They would rather die than admit the truth. Therefore, so long as the Bush administration is in power, NOTHING will change.

Until the next election, when perhaps the electorate will brush aside the remaining diehard Republican stay the course die hards, and rechart the course.

The swiftboat liars will be working overtime, but the elections are the Democrats to lose at this point

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Except for people like Jayhawk who are deaf dumb and blind it is obvious that strategy isn't working, and won't work. Putting the US army where a police action against criminals is needed is doomed to failure.
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You sound like Bill Clinton: The enemy declares war on the US, and you want to call up the police department. Maybe we should all sit around in a circle and sing kumbia too...

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Except for people like Jayhawk who are deaf dumb and blind it is obvious that strategy isn't working, and won't work. Putting the US army where a police action against criminals is needed is doomed to failure.
That's funny, the Generals and others in charge say it IS working, and working quite well. But of course YOU would know better then they would because you read all about it in the newspaper and saw it on TV news, right?
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They would rather die than admit the truth. Therefore, so long as the Bush administration is in power, NOTHING will change.
The same could be said for many of the radical liberals, and Bush haters, on this site.
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Until the next election, when perhaps the electorate will brush aside the remaining diehard Republican stay the course die hards, and rechart the course.
Like I said before, don't count your chickens before they're hatched. The American public may not like Bush right now, but the poles clearly show they like the Congess even less.....
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The swiftboat liars will be working overtime, but the elections are the Democrats to lose at this point.
Few of those Swift boat guys were liars, they knew what really happened, because they lived through it.
I personally saw a medal handed out for a minor splinter scratch, received while running out of a whore house. It was a Purple Heart, the same as your apparent Hero got. He was too easily tripped up, and caught in a number of lies himself if you care to remember.......

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That's funny, the Generals and others in charge say it IS working, and working quite well. But of course YOU would know better then they would because you read all about it in the newspaper and saw it on TV news, right?
Working toward what end? A self-sufficient Iraqi government/military capable of maintaining a level of stability roughly analagous to that which they enjoyed before the invasion? Or working toward a permanent U.S. military presence based upon a S. Korean model?

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Always amazes me those who think they are right with no room to allow wrong.
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You sound like Bill Clinton: The enemy declares war on the US, and you want to call up the police department. Maybe we should all sit around in a circle and sing kumbia too...
What is WRONG with you??!!!

You just don't get it. (Neither does your President). The US army is like a Sledgehammer being used to kill ants.

That won't work. The war has to be fought SMART, not dumb like with a sledgehammer. But, it was not. Bludgeoning won't work.

The insurgents are a mixture of sly criminals, deadly terrorists, opportunists, extortionists, kidnappers, and torturers.

They hide behind women and children, have no morals whatever, wear no uniforms, haven't heard of the Geneva Convention, are cowards and sociopaths.

You'd need to use stealth, native on the ground intelligence, good fighting tactics.

Using your point of view, we should disband all Police and Sheriff Depts and fight crime with the US Army.

Get it now?

And blaming Clinton for everything is just silly. Maybe that is all the right wing neocon radicals have left in their quiver.

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Working toward what end? A self-sufficient Iraqi government/military capable of maintaining a level of stability roughly analogous to that which they enjoyed before the invasion? Or working toward a permanent U.S. military presence based upon a S. Korean model?
The military is concerned with confusing and eliminating the enemy, they are doing that. Reports from the field indicate that the population is starting to have enough of the insurgents killing Iraqis, they are starting to help with informants and the tribes are supplying troops to the Iraqi Army and police in growing numbers. I don’t expect you to believe that, but that is the case never the less.
As to your question, that would be a lose, lose answer wouldn’t it……….

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Always amazes me those who think they are right with no room to allow wrong.
Shane, that would be a two way street. Look at some of the left wing radicals we have here, they are ALWAYS right, even when they are wrong....

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