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What makes you think George W. Bush WOULDN'T see fit to send American troops into Waziristan and the mountains of Pakistan at this point?
GOOD QUESTION! You DO have a point but then we are talking about Bush, the same man who started an immoral, illegal, and and unethical war based on lies instead of going after the real culprits in Afghanistan. George Bush is the reason why Al Qaeda and the Taliban is strong again as BUSH let them relax by starting the other war while only deploying and anemic and an impotent force in Afghanistan.
As far as our troops going in there, it would be one of the biggest blunders since Vietnam. Pakistan is a country of 250-300 million people. I personally believe and I don't have the data (on my personal observance since I lived there for a few years) is that roughly 30-40% of the population are very hard-line Muslims with over half of these nearing fanaticism coupled with ignorance and lack of knowledge. If we were to go to Waziristan/Pakistan these people will DEFINITELY see it as another attack on a Muslim country and therefore Jihad will be called. I would NOT at all be surprised to see 1-3 MILLION of these Pakistanis show up to fight the Americans. It would be a disaster for our country.
I believe that Bush's policies are the root cause of where we are and frankly I do not believe that the war on Terror can or will be won now, ESPECIALLY now. We have only Bush to thank. Instead of sending 250K troops to Iraq and only sending 30K-45K troops in Afghanistan we now as educated citizens KNOW what Bush was thinking. He never really cared about terror, he just wanted to attack and occupy Iraq and used 9-11 as an excuse to do it. If he had been REALLY serious about the war on terror, he would have sent 250K troops in Afghanistan and they actually WOULD HAVE been able to kill/capture ALL the terrorists there and would have caught Osama and Co. and the leadership of the Taliban, Mullah Omar and his cronies.
Our country cannot fight 2 wars at the same time as we don't have enough soldiers nor resources for that. Bush should have finished the war in Afghanistan and THEN could have gone to Iraq and by then it would have most probably been proven about the absence of WMDs and would have avoinded the lgreat loss of life/Holocaust in Iraq. I believe this whole effort now is useless and in vain.
Yes, Bush in fact COULD send his troops into Pakistan because HE has nothing to loose. None of his family members are on the ground fighting. I actually believe Bush IS stupid enough to try it.
Another thing you forget is that when the war in Afghanistan started, most of the Pakistani troops were on the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. There were 2 reasons for this. One reason was that they would annihilate/kill/capture any Talibanis or Al Qaeda that fled Afghanistan into Pakistan and the other reason was to cover the Americans' backs by holding off millions of radical Pakistanis from crossing into Afghanistan to slaughter our troops. You remember, it was in those exact same days that Pakistan caught the most of the Al Qaeda and Talibans and handed them over to the States.
It would be a disaster and would cause an extreme loss of life on our side if we went in there, sadly Bush doesn't give a damn.

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"Whatever counter-terrorism action is to be taken inside Pakistan, it will be taken by our own security forces. This has been and remains the basis of our cooperation with the U.S."

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GOOD QUESTION! You DO have a point but then we are talking about Bush, the same man who started an immoral, illegal, and and unethical war based on lies instead of going after the real culprits in Afghanistan. George Bush is the reason why Al Qaeda and the Taliban is strong again as BUSH let them relax by starting the other war while only deploying and anemic and an impotent force in Afghanistan.
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I believe that Bush's policies are the root cause of where we are and frankly I do not believe that the war on Terror can or will be won now, ESPECIALLY now. We have only Bush to thank. Instead of sending 250K troops to Iraq and only sending 30K-45K troops in Afghanistan we now as educated citizens KNOW what Bush was thinking. He never really cared about terror, he just wanted to attack and occupy Iraq and used 9-11 as an excuse to do it. If he had been REALLY serious about the war on terror, he would have sent 250K troops in Afghanistan and they actually WOULD HAVE been able to kill/capture ALL the terrorists there and would have caught Osama and Co. and the leadership of the Taliban, Mullah Omar and his cronies.
Our country cannot fight 2 wars at the same time as we don't have enough soldiers nor resources for that. Bush should have finished the war in Afghanistan and THEN could have gone to Iraq and by then it would have most probably been proven about the absence of WMDs and would have avoinded the lgreat loss of life/Holocaust in Iraq. I believe this whole effort now is useless and in vain.
Yes, Bush in fact COULD send his troops into Pakistan because HE has nothing to loose. None of his family members are on the ground fighting. I actually believe Bush IS stupid enough to try it.
Another thing you forget is that when the war in Afghanistan started, most of the Pakistani troops were on the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. There were 2 reasons for this. One reason was that they would annihilate/kill/capture any Talibanis or Al Qaeda that fled Afghanistan into Pakistan and the other reason was to cover the Americans' backs by holding off millions of radical Pakistanis from crossing into Afghanistan to slaughter our troops. You remember, it was in those exact same days that Pakistan caught the most of the Al Qaeda and Talibans and handed them over to the States.
It would be a disaster and would cause an extreme loss of life on our side if we went in there, sadly Bush doesn't give a damn.
I would not be so much worried about Pakistan sending 1-3 Million troops against the US [although they could muster up that kind of troop strength since their primary battle strategy has been against India]. I would be much more concerned, considering the lack of stability within the Pakistani military that we could be the recipient of a tactical nuclear shot to either our forces in Afghanistan, Iraq, or the Gulf, all within range of their missiles.

While Pakistan’s “established” government would not do something like that, rogue forces who want to topple the current regime have access to enough of the military to make that option happen.

It is why the only way we can go into Pakistan now, since Musharraf is weakened, is with permission from his government. Anything else has the potential to trigger a domino effect that includes a toppling of his government and takeover by rogue military that fully support the Taliban AND have fully functioning, tested Nuclear weapons.

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This is the war we should have six years ago. Our enemies have now had six years to prepare for it while Bush and Cheney had their heads up their asses in Iraq. Now we have al Queda to deal with as well. Numerous people who post here predicted exactly that. What a clusterfuck and a half.

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I would not be so much worried about Pakistan sending 1-3 Million troops against the US [although they could muster up that kind of troop strength since their primary battle strategy has been against India]. I would be much more concerned, considering the lack of stability within the Pakistani military that we could be the recipient of a tactical nuclear shot to either our forces in Afghanistan, Iraq, or the Gulf, all within range of their missiles.

While Pakistan’s “established” government would not do something like that, rogue forces who want to topple the current regime have access to enough of the military to make that option happen.

It is why the only way we can go into Pakistan now, since Musharraf is weakened, is with permission from his government. Anything else has the potential to trigger a domino effect that includes a toppling of his government and takeover by rogue military that fully support the Taliban AND have fully functioning, tested Nuclear weapons.
I DID NOT say Pakistani troops. I was talking about 1-3 million Pakistani citizens, most probably armed with AK-47s!
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