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OK, we'll get out of Iraq tomorrow.

then what?

Captain James, your input is most welcome.
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then what?

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heh, heh.....somebody would be out of a job but then again we could find an excuse/reason/fib and go invade some other place......maybe Zimbabwe heh, heh....take over the tobacco farming! heh, heh.......

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then what?

Captain James, your input is most welcome.

maine_coon,

I am not at that level to set policy to withdrawl any members of the military from Iraq.

I can tell you that at my level as a Captain in the Infantry and working as an advisor with Major Alvaro Roa, we have worked very hard advising, mentoring and training the Iraqi Army.

We not only conduct combat operations, but as well humanitarian operations such as medical care, paying local Iraqi contractors to build schools and community centers and meet and greet the community leaders and children.

I am here because I want to make a difference and at the capacity that I am serving which I am able to do my part to make a difference.

I have been here for 15 months and injured as well, earning the Purple Heart.

I left my family in the United States in April 2006 and wanted to be apart of the solution to assist the Iraqi people.

I can tell you that at my level I see changes but I cannot speak for the entire nation of Iraq. Please accept my assessment for the sector of Baghdad, that the Iraqi Army unit that I have worked with Major Roa are making progress.

I graduated from St. John's University with a degree in History and I graduated from Touro Law School earning my Juris Doctorate. I could had remained in the United States and been apart of the working class and choose to either support or not support the war in Iraq.

My choice to volunteer and serve here in Iraq may cost me my life but I feel that if I have to sacrifice my life here, it would be an honor.

When I receive my orders to leave the Republic of Iraq I will also leave many friends that I have met such as Iraqi Army Officers, Non-Commissioned Officers, Intrepreters, Community leaders, various council leaders and number of children and their parents in the community where I work in Baghdad, Iraq.

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then what?

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Who gives a fuck. I mean it. Why, as an American taxpayer, should I care less what these murderous people intend to do to each other?

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Ok, Captain, I think we all know who you are and what you have been doing so do you have to repeat over and over the same formulated answer? Right now you seem to belong to the propaganda unit if you ask me

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maine_coon,

I am not at that level to set policy to withdrawl any members of the military from Iraq.

I can tell you that at my level as a Captain in the Infantry and working as an advisor with Major Alvaro Roa, we have worked very hard advising, mentoring and training the Iraqi Army.

We not only conduct combat operations, but as well humanitarian operations such as medical care, paying local Iraqi contractors to build schools and community centers and meet and greet the community leaders and children.

I am here because I want to make a difference and at the capacity that I am serving which I am able to do my part to make a difference.

I have been here for 15 months and injured as well, earning the Purple Heart.

I left my family in the United States in April 2006 and wanted to be apart of the solution to assist the Iraqi people.

I can tell you that at my level I see changes but I cannot speak for the entire nation of Iraq. Please accept my assessment for the sector of Baghdad, that the Iraqi Army unit that I have worked with Major Roa are making progress.

I graduated from St. John's University with a degree in History and I graduated from Touro Law School earning my Juris Doctorate. I could had remained in the United States and been apart of the working class and choose to either support or not support the war in Iraq.

My choice to volunteer and serve here in Iraq may cost me my life but I feel that if I have to sacrifice my life here, it would be an honor.

When I receive my orders to leave the Republic of Iraq I will also leave many friends that I have met such as Iraqi Army Officers, Non-Commissioned Officers, Intrepreters, Community leaders, various council leaders and number of children and their parents in the community where I work in Baghdad, Iraq.

Respectfully,

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But Captain, your job is not to assist the Iraqi people, it is to protect the American people. The mission you have been given is inconsistent with the Constitution of the US.

Not only that, there is a real, legitimate question as to whether there is any such thing as "the Iraqi people". It is a sectarian, tribal war fought between a number of pre-national societies. "Iraq" is an invention of the West. The people who live in that country consider themselves Arabs, Shiites and Kurds first. It is at the heart of everything, and something we are powerless to do anything about. It is something they should be free to solve on their own.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Ok, Captain, I think we all know who you are and what you have been doing so do you have to repeat over and over the same formulated answer? Right now you seem to belong to the propaganda unit if you ask me
Hey Prof, you do exactly the same thing your complaining about. Why is what he's doing (according to you anyway) any worse then what you and FoTL do?

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Ok, Captain, I think we all know who you are and what you have been doing so do you have to repeat over and over the same formulated answer? Right now you seem to belong to the propaganda unit if you ask me
The American Army in Iraq is the most propagandized military since the Waffen SS. In the book "Fiasco" Tom Ricks relates how much this has hurt our mission in Iraq, and how it has lead to this incredible disaster. While we have a free press, soldiers do not. At the beginning of the war, they were told the invasion of Iraq was revenge for and response to 9-11, and they treated the people of Iraq as scum - creating the insurgency and smearing our honor across the world. It was a complete and utter lie, a catastrophic lie for the Iraqi people. Myself I look at the US military as nothing more than an extension of the Republican Party. Many of them have developed vested political and economic interests in "the mission" and the GOP uses this to make them stooges for their warped policies. The whole thing is a disgrace. In essence, we have three militias fighting for Iraq: The Shiite Militia, the Baathist Insurgent Militia, and the Republican Party Militia, aka the Armed Forces of the United States. 65% of the people in the US are against this war. Who exactly does everyone think the other 35% is? They are the core of the Republican Party. This is their war you are fighting Captain. It is time you fought for the American People instead.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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heh, heh.......well, what do you know! ...my exact thoughts, drew! Somebody, enough self-praise done, respectfully! heh, heh.......time for some serious action - get the first plane home and settle for some nice position in a downtown Law Firm......they pay well! Reckon you are wasting your time in Iraq and are being used for "lip-service" by the system whose uniform you adorn! heh, heh.......

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Hey Prof, you do exactly the same thing your complaining about. Why is what he's doing (according to you anyway) any worse then what you and FoTL do?
Bullshit, I am not using my position to speak out which is different than trying to convince.

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