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Dem front-runners conspire to rig the election

Kucinich Blasts Edwards for Suggesting Smaller Debate Field

NEW YORK, July 14—An off-the-record remark captured by television microphones has touched off a heated internecine meta-debate among Democrats.

According to The Associated Press, Representative Dennis Kucinich of Ohio is taking former Senator John Edwards to task for his suggestion that the frontrunners for the nomination should try to exclude long-shot candidates from the debate field.

“We should try to have a more serious and smaller group,” Mr. Edwards whispered to Senator Hillary Clinton after an NAACP forum in Detroit, Michigan.

The microphones also captured Mrs. Clinton’s reply. “Our guys should talk,” she said.

Mr. Kucinich responded to the incident by accusing the frontrunners of trying to rig the field. “This is a serious matter and I’m calling him on it,” Mr. Kucinich said. “Whispering, trying to rig an election, then denying what’s going on and making excuses. It all reflects a consistent lack of integrity.”

The debate about the debates is not new. Mrs. Clinton has complained throughout the primary campaign that the eight-member forums and debates have “trivialized” the discourse, reducing it to sound bites and applause lines. Some observers consider her objections ironic, noting that she has benefited the most from the format, often distilling the essence of her campaign into terse one-liners that play well with liberal audiences and a sound bite-hungry media. There is a wide consensus among political observers that even as her main rival, Illinois Senator Barack Obama, has catapulted to an early financial lead, Mrs. Clinton has “won” the debates.

Meanwhile, Senator Obama may have suffered most from the format. His tendency to indulge in thoughtful, occasionally roundabout answers has often been described as “professorial,” and it has struck some voters and commentators as indecisive, academic, and ill suited to the current debate format.

Mr. Kucinich and other critics of the proposed consolidation charge that media coverage itself is what defines a “frontrunner” at this early stage of the campaign, when polls are often inaccurate. They claim that early labels of “first-tier” and “second-tier” often become self-fulfilling prophesies, and they warn that denying “long-shot” candidates the media exposure of the primary debates could adversely affect voters and the process by limiting the contest to a few pre-selected media darlings.

The last two Democratic presidents were considered long-shot candidates until just before the primaries. When Jimmy Carter, former governor of Georgia, entered the Democratic primary race in 1976, he had national name recognition of only 2%. The media mocked his efforts by asking, “Jimmy who?”

At this stage of the Democratic primary race in 1991, Senator Clinton’s husband, then-Governor Bill Clinton, was polling in the low single-digits nationally, around where Representative Kucinich is polling today. After placing a surprise second in the 1992 New Hampshire primary, Mr. Clinton rode the momentum of his “comeback kid” victory all the way to the White House.

Critics of Mr. Edwards’s suggestion worry that there may be no more healthy political surprises if first-tier candidates succeed in excluding long-shot candidates from primary debates.

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I don't know where you get "rig an election" out of that, I mean, is someone paying voters here? She is right, Kucinch runs every election cycle and no one ever votes for that flake.

Like I have said repeatedly. The fix is already in. It will be a Hillary/Obama ticket. It will be a Democratic majority in both houses. Get ready for the fun!

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Hillary (let's nuke Iraq) Clinton is apparently conspiring with John (pretty boy) Edwards in regard to silencing their Dem opponents. Did I read that wrong?

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Politics as usual. Personally, I hope they are successful Kucinich is an embarrassment. Nader-in-waiting is always whining and is always too far left of the general electorate. He is simply never going to be elected to national office. The nomination will come down to Hillary, Obama and Edwards, and Gore if he comes back in. The sooner the rest of these losers drop out the better.

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Maybe not, but this ain't Venezuela, and legitimate candidates deserve to be heard here in the US of A. Dem candidates hate Kucinich for the same reason GOP candidates hate Paul -- because they tell the truth (although I do agree Kucinich is much whinier about it). Anyways, sounds to me like these folks would like to box out more than just him.

As you say, "politics as usual" -- that isn't an acceptable excuse, it's a solid reason to cross both of these conspirators off the list.

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Well, I doubt anyone would care, but then again, I said the same thing about Presidential fellatio.

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The more the merrier I say in regards to voting choices, but as long as they stay within the law they can try to push and shove at the boundaries all they want. Don't we all?
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You bet. I've heard you can even get away with shooting your pals in the face.

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