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I figure years in the Illinois Senate and years in the US Senate is a pretty good start. Politics at that level is blackbelt across the board, there are very few truly incompetent players. [though I can name a few on both sides of the aisle]

If you raise the qualifications of Palin based on "executive experience" at the expense of Obama or Biden, you equally diminish the qualifications of McCain, telling us, in no uncertain terms that he is not worthy of being a candidate for President.

I am sure Palin is a good person. In time she might even be good Presidential material [though I would not support her on her Pro Life stance]. However, she is still a babe in the woods at this juncture of her political career.

Is Obama that person, I don't know. He as vision that I have not seen in a long time. That is important. He DOES have more experience than Palin. To minimize that is to be disingenuous.

The difference is, McCain and Obama have been vetted by the voters of America for the past 18 months. At least 18 Million have voted for each of them as affirmation of that vetting. Biden has been in the game for decades and has been vetted since the 70s. Palin has not. This country does not have time for surprises or political tricks "just to win". We need folks who can hit the road running, Palin is going to be in class for way too long if the [R] sides wins. Al Qaeda and the folks that don't like us in the world enjoy seeing weakness and lack of preparation.
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Just remember, it's a strong possibility you're wrong!
Just like you were in the posting of this topic.
Looking at what I just wrote, I have a hard time figuring out how there could be a "strong" possibility that I am wrong. I think the opinion is based on pretty sound reasoning.

While you might disagree with pieces, you can't argue the logic of the thought.

As for the basis of the original thread, McCain got "off the floor" by borrowing his wife's jet and breaking a few campaign rules in the process. Folks got fired, stuff was paid back and I am assuming all has been forgiven by the FEC but he only got to where he is by a little ethical bending of the rules. We wouldn't expect anything more.

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SEN. BARACK OBAMA, 2005-present

• Collaborated with Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., in 2006 to pass a law (PL 109-282) creating a Google-like database of federal contracts and grants allowing users to type in key words that would bring up exactly how much money any particular recipient received.

• With then-Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Richard G. Lugar, R-Ind., won enactment of a 2006 law (PL 109-401) that allowed the United States to export nuclear fuel, technology and reactors to India for the first time in three decades. The law accepted India as a nuclear-armed power and was enacted despite concerns about India’s ties to Iran and past sanctions for transferring sensitive equipment to Iran.

• Chief sponsor of legislation signed into law in 2006 (PL 109-456) that authorized a 25 percent increase in U.S. assistance to the Democratic Republic of the Congo, which has been ravaged by civil wars since its independence from Belgium in 1960 and which received $33-million in fiscal 2006. The law called for a special envoy to help mediate an end to the conflict there and urged the Bush administration to strengthen the United Nations peacekeeping force now operating in parts of the nation.

• Co-sponsored legislation by Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick J. Leahy, D-Vt., signed into law in 2007 (PL 110-175) that speeds the release of documents under the Freedom of Information Act by revising requirements for federal agency disclosures of requested information.

• Played a significant role in the 2007 overhaul of congressional lobbying and ethics rules. Sided with Republicans who wanted stronger rules for the disclosure of earmarks in spending bills and tried to set an example by releasing a lengthy list of requests he asked to be included in annual appropriations bills. His support is believed to have persuaded some other Democrats (there were nine total) to adopt the amendment.

• With Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., proposed requiring senators to make full reimbursement for the market rate of corporate jet flights. Under old rules, senators reimbursed for the first-class commercial rate of the flight. In some cases, that meant paying $2,000 for a private jet flight that actually may have cost upwards of $20,000 per seat. The proposal was incorporated into a broader package of reforms.

Number of bills sponsored: 272

Number of bills co-sponsored: 834

Number of bills sponsored or co-sponsored that became law: 16

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SEN. BARACK OBAMA, 2005-present

• Collaborated with Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., in 2006 to pass a law (PL 109-282) creating a Google-like database of federal contracts and grants allowing users to type in key words that would bring up exactly how much money any particular recipient received.

• With then-Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Richard G. Lugar, R-Ind., won enactment of a 2006 law (PL 109-401) that allowed the United States to export nuclear fuel, technology and reactors to India for the first time in three decades. The law accepted India as a nuclear-armed power and was enacted despite concerns about India’s ties to Iran and past sanctions for transferring sensitive equipment to Iran.

• Chief sponsor of legislation signed into law in 2006 (PL 109-456) that authorized a 25 percent increase in U.S. assistance to the Democratic Republic of the Congo, which has been ravaged by civil wars since its independence from Belgium in 1960 and which received $33-million in fiscal 2006. The law called for a special envoy to help mediate an end to the conflict there and urged the Bush administration to strengthen the United Nations peacekeeping force now operating in parts of the nation.

• Co-sponsored legislation by Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick J. Leahy, D-Vt., signed into law in 2007 (PL 110-175) that speeds the release of documents under the Freedom of Information Act by revising requirements for federal agency disclosures of requested information.

• Played a significant role in the 2007 overhaul of congressional lobbying and ethics rules. Sided with Republicans who wanted stronger rules for the disclosure of earmarks in spending bills and tried to set an example by releasing a lengthy list of requests he asked to be included in annual appropriations bills. His support is believed to have persuaded some other Democrats (there were nine total) to adopt the amendment.

• With Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., proposed requiring senators to make full reimbursement for the market rate of corporate jet flights. Under old rules, senators reimbursed for the first-class commercial rate of the flight. In some cases, that meant paying $2,000 for a private jet flight that actually may have cost upwards of $20,000 per seat. The proposal was incorporated into a broader package of reforms.

Number of bills sponsored: 272

Number of bills co-sponsored: 834

Number of bills sponsored or co-sponsored that became law: 16

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So you don't list many of the 272 sponsored or 834 co-sponsored that were voted down by the Republican congress from Jan 2005-Jan 2007. You also don't have committee actions.

But I do like the ethics reform bill and contract search.


And your link is fuxored.

By the way, what was McCain's totals for the past four years in the Senate?

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When you fill out your quarterly tax forms, remember that 20% is going to pay the INTEREST on the DEBT that the REPUBLICANS ran up on the nation's charge card.

When your son gets called up again, remember that the depleted forces are due to piss poor planning by a Republican Administration that picked on a country that had no terrorists within its borders that were a threat to the US.

When you have to nearly strip to get on an airplane for vacation remember that the Department of Homeland Security is run by an Administration built on Fear Uncertainty and Dread and that the extra costs of your ticket is due to their inability to intelligently secure the skies.

I have about 50 more, but I will stop for a few.

When you notice prices skyrocketing in the grocery store or at the gas station, remember that your precious republicans have devalued the dollar by 40% in just over six years. That's why inflation is called the 'hidden tax'.

Funny how the people whining about taxes all the time don't have a problem with this one. Probably because it's so regressive--they like that.
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When you notice prices skyrocketing in the grocery store or at the gas station, remember that your precious republicans have devalued the dollar by 40% in just over six years. That's why inflation is called the 'hidden tax'.

Funny how the people whining about taxes all the time don't have a problem with this one. Probably because it's so regressive--they like that.
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Bush=Debt
Obama=Pay Debt + Add More Liability

EQUALS

The taxpayer foots the bill for poor management and is very pleased with all the changes voting Democratic has wrought.

RESULT

Tax payer is fucked once again and still stupidly smiling about it.
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Bush=Debt
Obama=Pay Debt + Add More Liability

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The taxpayer foots the bill for poor management and is very pleased with all the changes voting Democratic has wrought.

RESULT

Tax payer is fucked once again and still stupidly smiling about it.
Ok wise guy, what do you suppose the next president should do?
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Given the sort of assertions which have failed to embarrass you recently, I doubt that one will. For the record, I don't like the government, don't work for it, and don't even have clients who work for it. Come to think of it, I don't even have friends who work for it, the only two exceptions being military officers. I do hope you can forgive all of us.
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