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I read them both, thank you gutter gums. (feelthebitterness) I not quite sure what you are trying to say...he does a good job of laying out the facts in all three articles....
I am trying to say he is CLUELESS FUCK.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Well, some of us have been working.

Peters, for those who don't know is a writer who fancies himself as the next Tom Clancy, a retired Army Lt Col. who has staked out the position of Win at ALL COSTS.

His assertions that “Al-Qaeda-in-Iraq is suffering a humiliating defeat, as fellow Sunni Muslims turn against the fanatics and help them find the martyrdom they advertise.” is not only groundless but flies in the face of all evidence, including that of the military leaders on the ground. The interim report, due this week, suggests just the opposite of Peters comments. But let’s not let facts get in the way of a good stake in the ground.

He goes on to trash the Baker Hamilton Report, which was embraced by nearly everyone in the world, except the team that chose them for their expertise to make the honest assessment. And of course the Hawks who have never found a war they didn’t like.

Peters is a marginal fiction writer. He features hyperbola in much of his writing. We have more evidence today.

Does that cover shrill?
He was Coulter back when Coulter wasn't cool.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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THE 'QUIT IRAQ' CAUCUS:
By RALPH PETERS


July 11, 2007 -- EVEN as our troops make serious progress against al-Qaeda-in-Iraq and other extremists, Congress - including Republican members - is sending the terrorists a message: "Don't lose heart, we'll save you!"
Iraq's a mess. Got it. The Bush administration has made so many mistakes I stopped counting a year ago. But we've finally got a general in Baghdad - Dave Petraeus - who's doing things right. Iraqi politicians are still disgracing themselves, but our troops are killing America's enemies - with the help of our former enemies.

Al-Qaeda-in-Iraq is suffering a humiliating defeat, as fellow Sunni Muslims turn against the fanatics and help them find the martyrdom they advertise. Yet for purely political reasons - next year's elections - cowards on Capitol Hill are spurning the courage of our troops on the ground.

The frantic political gamesmanship in Congress would nauseate a ghoul. Pols desperate for any cover and concealment they can get have dragged the Iraq Study Group plan from the grave.

Masterminded by former Secretary of State Jim "Have Your Hugged Your Saudi Prince Today?" Baker, the report is a blueprint for a return to yesteryear's dictator-smooching policy (which helped create al Qaeda - thanks, Jimbo!).

That Baker report reminds me of cheap horror films where the zombies just keep coming back - except that zombies retain a measure of integrity.

But if Republicans are rushing to desert our troops and spit on the graves of heroes, the Democratic Party at least has been consistent - they've supported our enemies from the start, undercutting our troops and refusing to explain in detail what happens if we flee Iraq.

So I'll tell you what happens: massacres. And while I have nothing against Shia militiamen and Sunni insurgents killing each other 24/7, the overwhelming number of victims will be innocent women, children and the elderly.

Bosnia? That was just rough-necking at recess compared to what Islamist fanatics and ethnic beasts will do. Given that Senate Majority Misleader Harry Reid and Commissar of the House Nancy Pelosi won't tell us what they foresee af- ter we quit, let me lay it out:

* After suffering a strategic defeat, al-Qaeda-in-Iraq comes back from the dead (those zombies again . . .) and gets to declare a strategic victory over the Great Satan.

* Iran establishes hegemony over Iraq's southern oil fields and menaces the other Persian Gulf producers. (Sorry, Comrade Gore, even that Toyota Prius needs some gasoline . . . )

* Our troops will have died in vain. Of course, that doesn't really matter to much of anyone in Washington, Democrat or Republican. So we'll just write off those young Americans stupid enough to join the military when they could've ducked out the way most members of Congress did.

* A slaughter of the innocents - so many dead, the bodies will never be counted.


But I hope somebody tries to count the dead after our Congress kills them. As for those on the left who sanctimoniously set out rows of shabby combat boots to "teach" the rest of us the cost of war, I fully expect them to put out displays of women's slippers and children's shoes to show the world how many innocents died when they "brought our troops home now." (Note to the demonstrators - better start bulk-ordering those slippers and booties now.)

I hate the long-mismanaged mess in Iraq. I wish there were a sensible, decent way to get out that wouldn't undercut our security and produce massive innocent casualties. But there isn't. Not now. And, like it or not, we have a moral responsibility as well as practical interests in refusing to surrender to the butchers in Iraq.

This has been the Bush-Cheney War. But it will only be fair to call the carnage after we run away the "Reid-Pelosi Massacres."

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I have never heard of this guy, and he correctly states the bloodbath that will follow if the Unites States troops leave there.

However:

There has been a huge bloodbath there already, with daily attacks continuing, not only against Americans trying to act as peacekeepers, but warring Islamic factions against one another using torture, kidnapping, bombings and internecine slaughter as tactics.

It is obvious it will continue whether or not we "stay the course".

Presumably this writer wants that, because he propounds no other alternative other than staying in Iraq.

The highly trumpeted "success" in Baghdad has been little more than squeezing the balloon and pushing the terrorists to other areas where the continue their murderous activities, another part of the balloon.

Using conventional US army forces against bands of out of uniform terrorists, brigands, kidnappers, religious nut jobs, street thugs and extortionists, has not, and for the most part, won't work. that is the Iraqis job.

He equates withdrawing the troops as "surrender" which would mean laying down arms and becoming prisoners of war.

Like hell that is going to happen, no American would stand for that.

Too easy to gloss over that distinction. The American public has had it with that right Wing Republican lie.

The US forces never "Surrendered" in Viet Nam either, to become Vietcong POWS.

They simply went home.

As they should, now. It's time end this horrible, ill conceived misadventure.

Yes, it is going to be horrible to have to explain what our troops were asked to fight, bleed and die for.

That is the job of our leaders who asked them to go there. Principally Dick Cheney, George W. Bush, Don Rumsfield and certain right wing republicans for the most part.

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He was Coulter back when Coulter wasn't cool.
Dammit, now I picture him in the short red skirt. Jeez, eye bleach, stat.

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He may even be Coulter.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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"But if Republicans are rushing to desert our troops and spit on the graves of heroes, the Democratic Party at least has been consistent - they've supported our enemies from the start, undercutting our troops and refusing to explain in detail what happens if we flee Iraq.
I concur.
Ralph Peters has been, and remains, a fucking idiot.
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Wasn't it Shinsecki who said we'd need 300,000+ boots on the ground?
Oh yeah. They fired his dumb ass
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Wasn't it Shinsecki who said we'd need 300,000+ boots on the ground?
Oh yeah. They fired his dumb ass
Why have 300,000 boots on the ground when all we needed was about a dozen brains in the White House.

300,000 boots would have given us an OCCUPYING FORCE. We never had the mission to occupy Iraq. If that had been the original mission, for whatever harebrained reason then yes, 300,000 troops, full Shock and Awe, damn the collateral damage, clean all sides out, disarm EVERYBODY, set up a puppet government then have a shadow force to deal with latent issues. Trouble is, that was not the mission.

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