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While you might be surprised that I follow these threads, the fact is that I frequently do and I usually know who's coming down on which side without the need of a scorecard. That said, your comment above seems out of character for you. It appears you are suggesting that unless a poster has firsthand knowledge/experience, they should not be posting on the subject. The written account is all many of us have to inform us of current events. If Drew (for example) can't draw information from another source, then he is reduced to posting the occasional one liner or appropriate picture.
This can't be your intent, can it?
The intent was to point out that unless you are an accredited mind reader, or a psychiatrist treating that individual it’s impossible to know what is truly on someone else’s mind.
An example might be the fairly well known “1,000 yard stare” that some soldiers have exhibited in the past. If you see death and destruction day in and day out, your perspective changes on a lot of things. If you have not experienced that, you don’t have the right to say that a comment or comments, from someone that has, is right or wrong. The comments may very well seem strange or outlandish to those that haven’t been there, but another veteran will at least have an idea of what is being said.
Comments from reporters that live and work in the area have little bearing on what goes on in the mind of a 19 or 20 year old, after he’s been through a fire fight that may have killed or wounded his buddy, or seen someone get blown to pieces. To presume to know from 10,000 miles away makes even less sense, at least to me anyway…
Interpreting various events is one thing, mind reading is something else…….
Does that seem reasonable Digmenow?

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Yeah well, there's some truth in that, no doubt. Still, I think we could stand to learn a thing or two from some of those folks in regard to dealing with terrorists.
So do you now condone going into a mosque and blowing away anyone that happens to be there, and then looking around for stashed weapons? Or maybe doing the other way around, looking around, finding weapons, and THEN blowing away anyone that happens to be there?
Not busting chops here, but that's pretty much what Mayer Kahani and his ilk tended to do.........

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No, nothing so extreme, but I do admire the whole spooky 'you f**k with us, expect your throat slit in the middle of the night' thing. In fact, I do have great admiration for the Mossad, in that very light. That represents the stuff of nightmares, and a far better approach to the apprehension and elimination of terrorists than the military approach we seem to rely so heavily on.

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No, nothing so extreme, but I do admire the whole spooky 'you f**k with us, expect your throat slit in the middle of the night' thing. In fact, I do have great admiration for the Mossad, in that very light. That represents the stuff of nightmares, and a far better approach to the apprehension and elimination of terrorists than the military approach we seem to rely so heavily on.
The Russians were/are very good at that as well, but we're not allowed to do that. If Congress found out, they would have a shit hemorrhage (sp?).

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The intent was to point out that unless you are an accredited mind reader, or a psychiatrist treating that individual it’s impossible to know what is truly on someone else’s mind.
An example might be the fairly well known “1,000 yard stare” that some soldiers have exhibited in the past. If you see death and destruction day in and day out, your perspective changes on a lot of things. If you have not experienced that, you don’t have the right to say that a comment or comments, from someone that has, is right or wrong. The comments may very well seem strange or outlandish to those that haven’t been there, but another veteran will at least have an idea of what is being said.
Comments from reporters that live and work in the area have little bearing on what goes on in the mind of a 19 or 20 year old, after he’s been through a fire fight that may have killed or wounded his buddy, or seen someone get blown to pieces. To presume to know from 10,000 miles away makes even less sense, at least to me anyway…
Interpreting various events is one thing, mind reading is something else…….
Does that seem reasonable Digmenow?
Almost....except that the Prof was posting a link in response to Bot's (probably rhetorical) request for evidence for a JAG officer to review. The link led to an article that featured direct quotes from statements of a fairly large sample of U.S. Iraq veterans who had seen unreported atrocities.

Drew's further comments on the matter may have been less than eloquent but the story he posted the link for was an effective answer to Bot's request.

I do agree that it is not possible to know what soldiers from Thermopylae to Baghdad thought but through written accounts, we have the ability to imagine. That's no small thing. We also know what is right and what is wrong. The tremendous stress and pressure that these troops are subjected to are not justification for the casual taking of lives described in that article by others who were in the same situations but did not commit those acts. There is a penalty to be paid. That is the point that Bot was making and rightly so. Drew simply pointed out that sometimes, people look away and there are no consequences.

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^Lets see, young males with massive firearms and below college level intellect. What the fuck do you think is going to happen? War maybe? Your wish for a civilized war seems out of touch to me.
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No, the news media isn't any better at mind reading then you are, and what's worse is that they get paid by the story. The more sensational the better.
Do you want to be called a reporter? Man, even I wouldn't want to call FoTL THAT...
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^Lets see, young males with massive firearms and below college level intellect. What the fuck do you think is going to happen? War maybe? Your wish for a civilized war seems out of touch to me.
You mean college graduates are smarter? BS, just look at OT
The problem is not just our soldiers Shane; it's the officers, the commanders and the machine that feeds them the ideology for which they have to adhere to complete their mission. It start with the President! He tied Iraq to 911 and made sure that revenge was in order as the staple from which to draw energy and reasoning while in Iraq. Not once did the President or the VP leveled with the troops or the public about Iraq's ties to 911 because it was in their interests that ignorance prevails to drive their agenda through.

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^Lets see, young males with massive firearms and below college level intellect. What the fuck do you think is going to happen? War maybe? Your wish for a civilized war seems out of touch to me.
I wish there was no war. Since there is, I would wish that my countrymen aren't killing people just to cover their asses. Unfortunately, so many things operate on this principle that I fully expect it to happen within our armed forces.

But you're probably right. I am out of touch.

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The Russians were/are very good at that as well, but we're not allowed to do that. If Congress found out, they would have a shit hemorrhage (sp?).
Yeah, Hezbollahh and the Beirut ears story comes to mind..
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