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How do you percieve (his) feelings on this. He joined the Army to serve. I served in Northern Ireland in the 1970s and then we did not wear badges of rank, because the higher the rank the bigger the target. He fully understands the risk he is taking and should be allowed to take that risk as all solders have to do. You dont join the Army to become a pacificst. But for many ex soldiers this happens.
His personal feelings and his sincere wish to serve amongst his peers must be subsumed into the context of the war zone in Bashrah Iraq where he would have gone.

The fact is simply the British army is not facing off against another army that wears uniforms, but bands of brigands, thugs, and street criminals who would view the capture of Prince Harry, who will always be the Prince and a symbol of the British Royal nation, whether he wears the badgeof rank or not, as the ultimate prize.

The accident of birth puts him in a separate and symbolic category totally and wholly apart from evey other single British soldier in Iraq or anywhere else.

For a terrorist thug to grab him would be the equivalent of winning the national lottery or getting the holy grail.

Acknowledging that fact would require enormous security for him around the clock. The best strategy would be to keep him away from the buzzing angry nest or terrorist hornets.

There would be many other venues and occupations for him to serve honorably without serving in front line combat in Basrah where because of circumstances he would be more of a liability than anything positive he could contribute.

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Why isn't he in Iraq again? Kinda like how Bush never REALLY served?

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I can't believe the Sun stoops to photoshopping, what a fucking rag.
As far as Harry, who knows, he might be a badass. Gurkahs were fearless fighters as were the Nazi's. He's been both.

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Why isn't he in Iraq again? Kinda like how Bush never REALLY served?
Its actually a very simple explanation, or two explanations actually.

1) Harry would become such a high value target for any militant organization that they would mount extensive operations in order to kill or capture him. Many soldiers would die or be injured needlessly in protecting him. That isn't the mission they signed up for, nor is it what they were sent to Iraq for, either. Not sending him lets the Blues & Royals get on with the job they were sent to do.

2) It saves the UK government from a potential political humiliation. Let's say that Harry was captured. His release would be ransomed off in return for the UK pulling out of Iraq. This gives the UK two choices. The first would be to refuse to negotiate, which would result in internet video of Harry being beheaded. The second would be to capitulate and pull out, which would result in shame as well as a tremendous loss of moral for the troops.

When his Uncle Andrew served in the Falklands it was against a uniformed enemy that fought according to understood and accepted rules of war. He could have been killed or injured if he was shot down. He could have been captured, but if that was the case he would have been treated as a POW, not beheaded. It is admirable that Harry wishes to serve, and I believe he's sincere about that wish. I'm sure he'll be able to fulfill that wish in a more "traditional" conflict at some point in the future.
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I think the War Minister should allow Harry to serve in Iraq. Since he is only next in line as King of England, it's not a big deal if he takes a hit. Plus he probably needs his service in Iraq to boost his image.

I wonder how much this media frenzy actually is to keep Prince William out of the lime light since William has not talked much of his service thus far. And he is the direct heir to the throne. Or maybe William does not want to risk his whiskers in such a forsaken place. Meaning he is smarter than Harry.

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Its actually a very simple explanation, or two explanations actually.

1) Harry would become such a high value target for any militant organization that they would mount extensive operations in order to kill or capture him. Many soldiers would die or be injured needlessly in protecting him. That isn't the mission they signed up for, nor is it what they were sent to Iraq for, either. Not sending him lets the Blues & Royals get on with the job they were sent to do.

2) It saves the UK government from a potential political humiliation. Let's say that Harry was captured. His release would be ransomed off in return for the UK pulling out of Iraq. This gives the UK two choices. The first would be to refuse to negotiate, which would result in internet video of Harry being beheaded. The second would be to capitulate and pull out, which would result in shame as well as a tremendous loss of moral for the troops.

When his Uncle Andrew served in the Falklands it was against a uniformed enemy that fought according to understood and accepted rules of war. He could have been killed or injured if he was shot down. He could have been captured, but if that was the case he would have been treated as a POW, not beheaded. It is admirable that Harry wishes to serve, and I believe he's sincere about that wish. I'm sure he'll be able to fulfill that wish in a more "traditional" conflict at some point in the future.
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How do you percieve (his) feelings on this. He joined the Army to serve. I served in Northern Ireland in the 1970s and then we did not wear badges of rank, because the higher the rank the bigger the target. He fully understands the risk he is taking and should be allowed to take that risk as all solders have to do. You dont join the Army to become a pacificst. But for many ex soldiers this happens.
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There are very few (if any) conventional wars anymore. Since the 60s we have increasingly seen terrorist style wars. If we are to protect the royal family and what it stands for then ban all royal family members from joining the forces. I suggest parliment also look seriously at any war they may get into and consider the reprocussions before they do.

If the Ministry of Defence had thought this situation through, then the Blues and Royals would not have been sent to Iraq and the Harry issue would therefore never of happend. Hey Mr MOD stop giving the tabloids something to talk about. Especially the Sun plonkers.
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