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We are probably now the most hated nation in the world and the least respected. Quite an accomplishment for Bush and Co.
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That's pretty darned close the Bush definition. Pretty deceptive, since the goal all along was the establishment of a permanent military presence based on a S. Korean model (that also from GW), wouldn't you say? In fact, such an outcome was never possible, and was actually counter-productive toward the administration's true goals.
GS and drewprof, my definitions suck, OK, please give your definition.

Designo, speak for yourself. You ARE THE AGENT PROVOCAUTER, aren't you?


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I do agree that they have instilled "FEAR" in the daily lives of the Western world. This cost the Western world literally trillions of dollars which could have been used to better their society. This has a big toll on the economies as well as quality of life, health care, education, etc.
No reason to get into the religious aspect of it, but you're on the right track with the economy. If they really want to cause us to falter seriously, all they need to do is cause small things here from time to time -- months or years apart is fine, something stupid like the smoking car with potential explosives in the UK would be sufficient -- and then create regular chatter about such crap. We'd sit on higher alert levels and be bankrupt pretty soon, or else be facing emergency taxes, fuel rationing, etc. and our citizenry would be even more unhappy with whoever is in office in Washington. It wouldn't be long before it got really, really ugly. Luckily these whack jobs have their focus on their perceived jihadist crap so they aren't interested in a more "peaceful" destruction of the US and her allies, because that won't get them to Valhalla with their 72 virgins.

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GS and drewprof, my definitions suck, OK, please give your definition.
I thought your definition was fine. OK, how's this? Hand GW and Cheney over to the Sunni in Iraq for Saddam-like trials, apologize, go home, and pay reparations to Iraq directly from Halliburton, and Cheney and GW's personal accounts.

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No reason to get into the religious aspect of it, but you're on the right track with the economy. If they really want to cause us to falter seriously, all they need to do is cause small things here from time to time -- months or years apart is fine, something stupid like the smoking car with potential explosives in the UK would be sufficient -- and then create regular chatter about such crap. We'd sit on higher alert levels and be bankrupt pretty soon, or else be facing emergency taxes, fuel rationing, etc. and our citizenry would be even more unhappy with whoever is in office in Washington. It wouldn't be long before it got really, really ugly. Luckily these whack jobs have their focus on their perceived jihadist crap so they aren't interested in a more "peaceful" destruction of the US and her allies, because that won't get them to Valhalla with their 72 virgins.

Not that I have an opinion.
I know you do have an opinion Greg.

You just think we are not good enough to hear it.
Ummm.."Valhallla" is from quite the different region/religion/heritage..I am sure you know this..There are only Valkirias in Valhalla, they are just like our Harley Davidson girls and hardly virgins..
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I thought your definition was fine. OK, how's this? Hand GW and Cheney over to the Sunni in Iraq for Saddam-like trials, apologize, go home, and pay reparations to Iraq directly from Halliburton, and Cheney and GW's personal accounts.
Now this is definitely the smartest, most intelligent thing I have read in the last few days! (my "one-liner")
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Good question mcbear.

I'll bite.

Strong central government in Iraq friendly to the West and USA.

No US military presence necessary except some strategisc bases in the middle of the Middle East.

Average Iraqis level of life higher than under Saddam.

Iraq being an ally rather than pain in the ass...

Mission could be accomplished.

Self-hate is counterproductive fellows.
Those are good goals but for a WIN they must have a timeline or an enddate to measure their success. That has been one of the main problems with current Iraq policy, the ever moving goals and never laidout endgame.

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Those are good goals but for a WIN they must have a timeline or an enddate to measure their success. That has been one of the main problems with current Iraq policy, the ever moving goals and never laidout endgame.
OK, our upcoming Democratic President will take care of this.

Just like Nixon took care of Nam.
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OK, our upcoming Democratic President will take care of this.

Just like Nixon took care of Nam.
Unfortunately the next President will, like Nixon clean up the mess of his predecessor. I don’t foresee a WIN coming out of this, no matter which party wins the election. It would require too many compromises on this end and putting too much toothpaste back in the tube in Iraq.

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