Originally Posted by Shane
Where do you fall on this hotly contested subject. Maybe the right can elaborate on why they think we should stay for more reasons than blind patriotism. Maybe the left can drop the single minded arrogance and give logical options and reasons other than you are with us or against us. Come on, there are some well informed people on this board, lets hear some options and not insults since no one is guaranteed to be correct.
I'll start. We broke it, we need to fix it. We should maintain heavily guarded posts and set up a timeline of withdrawl based on achieved goals. It should not have started but we are responsible and the region is very important to us and the rest of the world.
If you are going to start something you hope leads to a serious debate, how about offering something with substance to back up your cliche'-based "we broke it, we need to fix it" philosophy?
What do you mean by the statement "We should maintain heavily guarded posts and set up a timeline of withdrawal based on achieved goals" above?
Do we add troops or take them away or rearrange the ones we already have there? What is the timeline based on? What if the timeline, like the Bush time line to date, expires and the goals are not achieved? More importantly, what are the goals that are to be achieved that you are proposing?
Without some definition of what you are proposing it is just a bunch of soft goo that can be used to justify whatever you might like it to justify. While Bot seems hung up on "fuckity fuck fuck fuck" the target of his tirade is the only one who has offered any detail in what is to be done, in his opinion, and why. All the rest of the one liners, or repetitive one liners, are old and incomplete thoughts. Can't start a serious debate with little more than clauses and phrases. Whole thoughts.
The easiest whole thought to express accurately and completely is "cut and run." Which is what I would recommend. We, hopefully, didn't intend to break Iraq (although an argument that "we are fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here" reveals breaking and ruining Iraq was part of the original plan) so it seems our best intentions for going on five years has done nothing but make the situation worse. More and better trained terrorists, new tactics, new weapons, and a pan-Arab, pan-Middle East and pan-Islam hatred of America has resulted. We obviously have not got a clue how to "fix" this and, therefore, we should get the hell out as soon as possible. Once the Iraqis figure out what they want to do, we should offer financial and other humanitarian and rebuilding aid to make reparations. But get out military the hell out of there, entirely. Now.