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^Surely you can see both sides? Seriously.
I see one side as mass murderers. Surely you can see why I have no wish to travel any further with them? The American attack in March 2003 was a simple act of premeditated mass murder. The occupation of Iraq is a Holocaust on the Iraqi people. I consider those who organized both guilty of conspiracy to commit crimes against humanity, mass murder and waging of aggressive war, and those who support them as accomplices. Perhaps when the next serial killer shoots scores of people, you can call the families of the victims and ask them if they can see "both sides"?

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Looking for a direct answer to a simple question.
What do you think it is?

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Maybe you should look at American and British history. Do you want another vietnam ? The americans and the brits are in for the duration and however long it takes and how many lifes it takes they will be there.
We've already got another Vietnam.

Your trivial regard for the lives of our soldiers as cannon fodder is viscerally disgusting.

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I'm sorry, are the Joos proselytizing and trying to impose world-wide Talmudic law? I haven't actually seen any Joos hijack airliners and ram them into buildings, kidnap athletes and murder them, or dynamite busloads of school children in the name of their version of Yahweh. Until then, I'm afraid I don't give a Talmudic poopie about a comparison between Islamic nonsense and Jewish nonsense.

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Who is trying to impose the Shria law? There are some radicals in the East who are trying to impose it BUT ONLY IN THE EASTERN WORLD! How the hell does that bother you? BTW, the radicals who want to impose it on THEIR people are so low in numbers that it is not possible for get it implemented in the whole Islamic world. Howmany countries follow Shria Law? 3-4? How many people follow Islam? 1.5 Billion? Lets just say for the sake of arguement that the whole Islamic world followed Shria law. How the hell does it or would it affect you?
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Maybe under Sharia in their region we the pig eating kuffar will be next, don't you think Designo?

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Maybe under Sharia in their region we the pig eating kuffar will be next, don't you think Designo?
Not unless you attack them or inhabit their lands or keep them from practicing their religion. Strict Islamic Law BTW. If you do the above then they are within their religious as well as political rights to attack you where ever you are. Isn't this exactly wht is happening to us now?
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A statement I wholeheartedly agree with.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Yeah but what about Al Fath Al Islami? Isn't it a duty for Muslims to expand Islam?

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Yeah but what about Al Fath Al Islami? Isn't it a duty for Muslims to expand Islam?
NOT expand Islam my friend. Only to invite to Islam. If you don't accept Islam then fine. If you happen to live in the Islamic world the you just give Jaiza. That is all. Love it or leave it or pay taxes. I don't find anything wrong with that. The tax collected is used to protect the non Muslims living in Muslim land in caseof war and it is also used to protect their religious shrines, places of worship andtheir personal properties. If unable to protect the above, then ALL of Jaiza is returned! Plain and simple.
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NOT expand Islam my friend. Only to invite to Islam. If you don't accept Islam then fine. If you happen to live in the Islamic world the you just give Jaiza. That is all. Love it or leave it or pay taxes. I don't find anything wrong with that. The tax collected is used to protect the non Muslims living in Muslim land in caseof war and it is also used to protect their religious shrines, places of worship andtheir personal properties. If unable to protect the above, then ALL of Jaiza is returned! Plain and simple.
You mean jizya?

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