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DR, I keep seeing, in different press over the past years Labour, New Labour, Tory, New Tory etc. I know that Brown is Labour, but what flavor would you consider him to be? Where would he fit in on the American ideology [not including Jayhawk’s triangle]?
He is by nature left of centre, a socialist, but not committed to state ownership. A true Scot, insofar he is very careful with money, both personal and public. He despises the cult of celebrity and spin. To what extent he paddles his own canoe against the Party tide remains to be seen.He is not big on European federalism. He likes America but hates Dubya, and oh, his wife is pleasant as opposed to the ugly money grabbing self-important hag who was married to Bliar. All in all a step in the right direction for Britain today.
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He is by nature left of centre, a socialist, but not committed to state ownership. A true Scot, insofar he is very careful with money, both personal and public. He despises the cult of celebrity and spin. To what extent he paddles his own canoe against the Party tide remains to be seen.He is not big on European federalism. He likes America but hates Dubya, and oh, his wife is pleasant as opposed to the ugly money grabbing self-important hag who was married to Bliar. All in all a step in the right direction for Britain today.
Sounds pretty good to me all around. Should make things interesting for the Coalition of the Drilling.

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He is by nature left of centre, a socialist, but not committed to state ownership. A true Scot, insofar he is very careful with money, both personal and public. He despises the cult of celebrity and spin. To what extent he paddles his own canoe against the Party tide remains to be seen.He is not big on European federalism. He likes America but hates Dubya, and oh, his wife is pleasant as opposed to the ugly money grabbing self-important hag who was married to Bliar. All in all a step in the right direction for Britain today.
I've heard the expression "tighter than a Scotsman on holiday in Yorkshire" so this might apply here...

As for Cherie, I heard her last parting remark to the press, (BBC World news played it) and it left me utterly aghast, no wonder you disliked her.

Tony Blair was always pretty likeable, and very articulate, I thought, but was portrayed as Bush's lapdog by much of the British media from what I saw.

I always got the idea if there was ever a Bush/Blair debate, it would be like a wolverine against a three toed sloth.
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Well seeing as he has robbed the middle class blind with stealth taxes over his tenure as Chancellor, and has inherited Tony's empire and spin machine, which I doubt he has the heart to do away with -- we are fucked.
That is speaking as a nominally christian English speaking white british hetrosexual non-disabled working tax paying property owning married man with two children -- we are fucked
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Regarding Cherie,
I think after balanced reflection & contemplation,
burning at the stake would be appropriate
after first perhaps driving a stake through her heart
if one could find her heart
Drowning is good enough for Tony
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These are the recent words of Matthew Parris of The Times. He was not right about the leadership race, but he is bang on with his analysis of Gordon Brown - the man

How the postman will deliver knockout blow to Gordon Brown -Times Online


I have sometimes been wrong to trust logic, but of the logic itself in this case I have no doubt, and never did. It is not in the electoral interests of the Labour Party or a Labour Government to replace Tony Blair with Mr Brown. On every count except his stewardship of the economy, the present Chancellor of the Exchequer fails to excite or even to reassure. On either of the scales where leadership may be assessed — the ability to inspire or the ability to reassure — Mr Brown scores low.

He is not a persuader, he is not a salesman, he is not a visionary. He is not a diplomat, he is not a deal-maker, he is not a peacekeeper and he does not soothe. He is not a trailblazer and he is not a fence-mender. As he is neither one of nature’s comforters nor one of her electrifiers, the Chancellor’s supposed talents elude me.

How might his supporters reply? They would have to cite his practical record in government, but even here they would be on shakier ground searching for the good things he has done than listing the bad things that have not happened on his watch. In a week when Mr Brown’s family tax-credit system has begun to look an intractable mess and when, even on the Left, worries about the effect of his tax burden on the economy are beginning to surface, Mr Brown’s record does not now look as unimpeachable as his friends used to boast.

To this list of Nots we should add another big one. Gordon Brown is not a thinker. I know that’s a contestable remark to make of a well-read man with a powerful intellect, but what, pray, is Brownism? We know what Thatcherism was; I could even take a stab at defining Majorism; and in its tinselly and happy-clappy way there is certainly such a thing as Blairism. But what is it to be a Brownite — what, that is, beyond being a member of the gang whose members expect Mr Brown to be PM and hope he will give them a job?


In my view, the UK middle class are in for a rough 3 years until the next opportunity to toss this ghastly Scotsman out at a General Election. He has always seemed to me to be phsycologically flawed.
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These are the recent words of Matthew Parris of The Times. He was not right about the leadership race, but he is bang on with his analysis of Gordon Brown - the man

How the postman will deliver knockout blow to Gordon Brown -Times Online


I have sometimes been wrong to trust logic, but of the logic itself in this case I have no doubt, and never did. It is not in the electoral interests of the Labour Party or a Labour Government to replace Tony Blair with Mr Brown. On every count except his stewardship of the economy, the present Chancellor of the Exchequer fails to excite or even to reassure. On either of the scales where leadership may be assessed — the ability to inspire or the ability to reassure — Mr Brown scores low.

He is not a persuader, he is not a salesman, he is not a visionary. He is not a diplomat, he is not a deal-maker, he is not a peacekeeper and he does not soothe. He is not a trailblazer and he is not a fence-mender. As he is neither one of nature’s comforters nor one of her electrifiers, the Chancellor’s supposed talents elude me.

How might his supporters reply? They would have to cite his practical record in government, but even here they would be on shakier ground searching for the good things he has done than listing the bad things that have not happened on his watch. In a week when Mr Brown’s family tax-credit system has begun to look an intractable mess and when, even on the Left, worries about the effect of his tax burden on the economy are beginning to surface, Mr Brown’s record does not now look as unimpeachable as his friends used to boast.

To this list of Nots we should add another big one. Gordon Brown is not a thinker. I know that’s a contestable remark to make of a well-read man with a powerful intellect, but what, pray, is Brownism? We know what Thatcherism was; I could even take a stab at defining Majorism; and in its tinselly and happy-clappy way there is certainly such a thing as Blairism. But what is it to be a Brownite — what, that is, beyond being a member of the gang whose members expect Mr Brown to be PM and hope he will give them a job?

In my view, the UK middle class are in for a rough 3 years until the next opportunity to toss this ghastly Scotsman out at a General Election. He has always seemed to me to be phsycologically flawed.
Well, Mat Parris, while undoubtedly bright, was afterall a Conservative MP and seldom takes an entirely objective non-partisan view of issues. He is also 'absolutely fabulous', which is not likely to make for a comfortable relationship with a man like Brown.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of Brown myself as such, just totally fed up with that grinning self-publicist Blair and any change from him suits me in the short term.
Ming is my man but he and his mob tend to fall into the 'wasted vote' category. Dave is another Blair, but in a blue disguise so come the next election I will probably abstain.
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