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Freedom is not exactly the same as guaranteed equality, is it?

Who determines when freedom has gone to far, the majority party? Who the fuck are you guys to decide what is fair in political speech?

You guys are no better than John Fucking Adams when it comes to freedom. A man who talked big until he was on the receiving end of that which he claimed to cherish, and promptly tried to suppress. You guys are really brilliant, I have to admit.

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There is not one station forced to air any of these shows. However when it comes to advertising dollars, money talks. Don't like it, don't listen, that simple.
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There is not one station forced to air any of these shows. However when it comes to advertising dollars, money talks. Don't like it, don't listen, that simple.
Not quite true, if a station is part of a network the local station may be required to air the talk show based on the network's contract.

The question comes in when folks start talking about the Public Airwaves and in many markets, you don't have multiple broadcast choices like you do in larger cities. In the mountains there are MANY areas where you can hear 1- ONE radio station, or at best 1 AM and 1 FM and if both are broadcasting the same show [some due to network consideration] then the Public do not have the "don't like it, don't listen" option that we in larger communities have if you want local news, weather and sports.

So if those communities prefer to have a balance, they have no choice.

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Not quite true, if a station is part of a network the local station may be required to air the talk show based on the network's contract.

The question comes in when folks start talking about the Public Airwaves and in many markets, you don't have multiple broadcast choices like you do in larger cities. In the mountains there are MANY areas where you can hear 1- ONE radio station, or at best 1 AM and 1 FM and if both are broadcasting the same show [some due to network consideration] then the Public do not have the "don't like it, don't listen" option that we in larger communities have if you want local news, weather and sports.

So if those communities prefer to have a balance, they have no choice.
You want your message on the air? Get advertisers to pay for it.

Or pay for it yourself.

What part of freedom of speech eludes you? There is no guarantee of equal participation, only that you wont be silenced. The rest is up to you.

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You want your message on the air? Get advertisers to pay for it.

Or pay for it yourself.

What part of freedom of speech eludes you? There is no guarantee of equal participation, only that you wont be silenced. The rest is up to you.

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You need to talk to a Program Director of a radio station or TV station and understand exactly what you just posted.

I believe the point that the initiative regarding the Fairness Doctrine has to do with the regulation of PAID Speech.

Free Speech has ZERO to do with the argument.

From the FCC:
The policy of the United States Federal Communications Commission that became known as the "Fairness Doctrine" is an attempt to ensure that all coverage of controversial issues by a broadcast station be balanced and fair. The FCC took the view, in 1949, that station licensees were "public trustees," and as such had an obligation to afford reasonable opportunity for discussion of contrasting points of view on controversial issues of public importance. The Commission later held that stations were also obligated to actively seek out issues of importance to their community and air programming that addressed those issues. With the deregulation sweep of the Reagan Administration during the 1980s, the Commission dissolved the fairness doctrine.

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You need to talk to a Program Director of a radio station or TV station and understand exactly what you just posted.

I believe the point that the initiative regarding the Fairness Doctrine has to do with the regulation of PAID Speech.

Free Speech has ZERO to do with the argument.

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The policy of the United States Federal Communications Commission that became known as the "Fairness Doctrine" is an attempt to ensure that all coverage of controversial issues by a broadcast station be balanced and fair. The FCC took the view, in 1949, that station licensees were "public trustees," and as such had an obligation to afford reasonable opportunity for discussion of contrasting points of view on controversial issues of public importance. The Commission later held that stations were also obligated to actively seek out issues of importance to their community and air programming that addressed those issues. With the deregulation sweep of the Reagan Administration during the 1980s, the Commission dissolved the fairness doctrine.
Exactly right, precisely right.

Who decides what is controversial? Who arbitrates fairness? How many views get expressed? Who pays for the air time?

Enforced "fairness" is a crock of bear poopie. Get the gov the heck out of deciding what is appropriate and fair political speech. You want air time? Buy it or start your own station.

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Freedom is not exactly the same as guaranteed equality, is it?

Who determines when freedom has gone to far, the majority party? Who the fuck are you guys to decide what is fair in political speech?

You guys are no better than John Fucking Adams when it comes to freedom. A man who talked big until he was on the receiving end of that which he claimed to cherish, and promptly tried to suppress. You guys are really brilliant, I have to admit.
How far is too far? I have listened to some of those right wing radio shows, and you can bet, by any reasonable measure that some of it comes pretty close to being "hate radio" sometimes.

Would you feel comfortable with having paid talk shows by the Moonies, KKK, Islamo fascists, NAMBLA activists, gun control or gun nuts, or anyone else, no matter HOW inflammatory, available to listen to, the only qualification being they paid for it or got someone else to pay?

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How far is too far? I have listened to some of those right wing radio shows, and you can bet, by any reasonable measure that some of it comes pretty close to being "hate radio" sometimes.

Would you feel comfortable with having paid talk shows by the Moonies, KKK, Islamo fascists, NAMBLA activists, gun control or gun nuts, or anyone else, no matter HOW inflammatory, available to listen to, the only qualification being they paid for it or got someone else to do it?
Don't like it? Don't listen to them. Get's you mad? Buy time to counter the insidious menace of free speech to all that is good and right, mom and apple pie. Or start your own station. Don't let lack of motivation stand between you and your goal. You could be the next Rush Limbaugh, if you have what it takes. If you don't then you'll fail. That's what we call, "free market."

Nobody ever said freedom was comfy, safe and easy.

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Don't like it? Don't listen to them. Get's you mad? Buy time to counter the insidious menace of free speech to all that is good and right, mom and apple pie. Or start your own station. Don't let lack of motivation stand between you and your goal. You could be the next Rush Limbaugh, if you have what it takes. If you don't then you'll fail. That's what we call, "free market."

Nobody ever said freedom was comfy, safe and easy.

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A glib, snappy rejoinder for sure, but one that fails to answer or address the question asked, which was, how far is too far.

Unless I misapprend you, you advocate anyone with the money, motive and wherewithal behind him ought to be allowed to take to the airwaves and say absolutely anything, no matter what?

And if you don't like it, just don't listen?

Sounds like Libertarianism run amok. Even Nixon wouldn't go that far. Well, at least not during football season.

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