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You are one sick son-of-a-bitch!

Ain't as Rosey as Boo-sh paints it, huh?
What's up.......can't face reality?
Reckon you don't get to see such images on your censored 'Truman Show' type news channels?
This has been the everyday reality in Iraq since the illegal invasion by the US while you sit on your cheap walmart sofa and tuck in the take-away from your local KFC.
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In the USa we have around 60,000 automobile deaths per years and many times that many permanent injuries. A tremendous proportion of those crashes are casued by drunks driving the roads. I hate drunk drivers and the carnage they perpetrate on the highways and the lives they ruin in their narcissistic self-indulgence.

I do not keep a scrapbook of the butchery inflicted by impaired drivers. That would be perverse, don't you think?

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In the USa we have around 60,000 automobile deaths per years and many times that many permanent injuries. A tremendous proportion of those crashes are casued by drunks driving the roads. I hate drunk drivers and the carnage they perpetrate on the highways and the lives they ruin in their narcissistic self-indulgence.

I do not keep a scrapbook of the butchery inflicted by impaired drivers. That would be perverse, don't you think?

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Agree with you but difference is......those are accidents - What's happening in Iraq is MURDER!

Quite rightly, drinking is a social evil which causes many deaths resulting from actions of the drunk drivers.
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Agree with you but difference is......those are accidents - What's happening in Iraq is MURDER!

Quite rightly, drinking is a social evil which causes many deaths resulting from actions of the drunk drivers.
I disagree about the label, murder.

Combatants' deaths are intentional killing under the rules of war, hence, not murder.

Noncombatants' deaths are always regrettable and unfortunately, a very common accident of war. They become increasingly common if one side intentionally does not follow the rules of war with regards to uniforms, proximity to civilians, treatment of prisoners, treatment of civilians, etc.

Intentional harm or death to civilians is against the rules of war and in the US military there is a clear record of prosecutions of soldiers who violate the rules of war.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the enemy has a somewhat less clear record on that score.

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Agree with you but difference is......those are accidents - What's happening in Iraq is MURDER!

Quite rightly, drinking is a social evil which causes many deaths resulting from actions of the drunk drivers.
From what I read, one is about 25% more likely to actually be "murdered" in Washington, DC than one of our troops is going to die as a result of war in Iraq... And there is a big difference between murder and military action.

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I disagree about the label, murder.

Combatants' deaths are intentional killing under the rules of war, hence, not murder.

Noncombatants' deaths are always regrettable and unfortunately, a very common accident of war. They become increasingly common if one side intentionally does not follow the rules of war with regards to uniforms, proximity to civilians, treatment of prisoners, treatment of civilians, etc.

Intentional harm or death to civilians is against the rules of war and in the US military there is a clear record of prosecutions of soldiers who violate the rules of war.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the enemy has a somewhat less clear record on that score.

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War? What war? The Iraq scenario is self-imposed situation by the US based on series of lies & deceit in cahoot with Blair of Britain, resulting in the current illegal occupation of Iraq! Therefore, the normal rules of war are inapplicable! The Allied forces invaded Iraq typically without any post "kick-ass Saddam" contingency which has seriously back-fired and left the invading forces in a real "pickle"......thus the current chaotic state but the irony and the hypocrisy is that the oil export from Iraq is running more efficiently than the New York subway! I won't even mention the fiasco in Afghanistan - Taleban are alive and kicking in a more aggressive manner than ever!
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War? What war? The Iraq scenario is self-imposed situation by the US based on series of lies & deceit in cahoot with Blair of Britain, resulting in the current illegal occupation of Iraq! Therefore, the normal rules of war are inapplicable! The Allied forces invaded Iraq typically without any post "kick-ass Saddam" contingency which has seriously back-fired and left the invading forces in a real "pickle"......thus the current chaotic state but the irony and the hypocrisy is that the oil export from Iraq is running more efficiently than the New York subway! I won't even mention the fiasco in Afghanistan - Taleban are alive and kicking in a more aggressive manner than ever!
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War? What war? The Iraq scenario is self-imposed situation by the US based on series of lies & deceit in cahoot with Blair of Britain, resulting in the current illegal occupation of Iraq! Therefore, the normal rules of war are inapplicable! The Allied forces invaded Iraq typically without any post "kick-ass Saddam" contingency which has seriously back-fired and left the invading forces in a real "pickle"......thus the current chaotic state but the irony and the hypocrisy is that the oil export from Iraq is running more efficiently than the New York subway! I won't even mention the fiasco in Afghanistan - Taleban are alive and kicking in a more aggressive manner than ever!
Amazing how you learn to write so well when you want to. Yawn.

What would you do instead, oh hooka pipe-pun God? Please tell us a scenario that would have been more successful and why. Your turn...
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Amazing how you learn to write so well when you want to. Yawn.

What would you do instead, oh hooka pipe-pun God? Please tell us a scenario that would have been more successful and why. Your turn...
Bring back Clinton.....he would have brought due merit and respect in handling this situation in a most apt and diplomatic manner without the deceit & lies and the loss of all those lives! Monica issue aside....that's his personal business! Man's got to vent out his stress somewhere.....Kennedy was at it everyday....was it with Marlyn Monroe?
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Bring back Clinton.....he would have brought due merit and respect in handling this situation in a most apt and diplomatic manner without the deceit & lies and the loss of all those lives! Monica issue aside....that's his personal business! Man's got to vent out his stress somewhere.....Kennedy was at it everyday....was it with Marlyn Monroe?
Clinton will be back next year so you will have your wish.

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