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"This is just one example of how the president puts ideology before science, politics before the needs of our families, just one more example of how out of touch with reality he and his party have become," Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., told the Take Back America conference of liberal activists Wednesday.

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As long as he and everyone that supports his position is willing to sign a legally binding affidavit that says that they and their families will refuse ALL medical treatments and drugs that result from any Worldwide research that was conducted utilizing Stem Cell Research then I will respect their opinion.

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How does federal funding of medical research differ from socialized medicine? Stem cell research should be funded by the same private corporations in line to reaps $billions$ in profits down the road.

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How does federal funding of medical research differ from socialized medicine? Stem cell research should be funded by the same private corporations in line to reaps $billions$ in profits down the road.
How about we stop supporting Israel financially with 100s of Billions of dollars and fund all our research and provide free medical care to every American and still have money left over for prosthetics that so many of our troops will need and i am talking about the top of the line prosthetics.
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How about we stop supporting Israel financially with 100s of Billions of dollars and fund all our research and provide free medical care to every American and still have money left over for prosthetics that so many of our troops will need and i am talking about the top of the line prosthetics.

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How does federal funding of medical research differ from socialized medicine? Stem cell research should be funded by the same private corporations in line to reaps $billions$ in profits down the road.
Because the Public Health is an issue that should be on a level above Corporate profits. Government has to insure that Corporations don't use ROI as the primary criterion on which they base their R&D budgets.

Socialized Medicine, on the other hand is usually considered the institutional management of the medical profession for end users, taking the place of Insurance Companies, Private Hospitals and several hundred thousand Ambulance Chasers.

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Because the Public Health is an issue that should be on a level above Corporate profits. Government has to insure that Corporations don't use ROI as the primary criterion on which they base their R&D budgets.
If we were facing an epidemic that constituted a threat to our national welfare, I'd say you have a point, but that isn't what's at stake here. If our money is invested in such a manner, how are the profits to be distributed to the "shareholders"? Hint: all we'll really be doing is subsidizing a new arm of the pharmaceutical industry, and it is they who will realize the profits on our investment (involuntary donation).

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If we were facing an epidemic that constituted a threat to our national welfare, I'd say you have a point, but that isn't what's at stake here. If our money is invested in such a manner, how are the profits to be distributed to the "shareholders"? Hint: all we'll really be doing is subsidizing a new arm of the pharmaceutical industry, and it is they who will realize the profits on our investment (involuntary donation).
The point is that we MIGHT stem the tide of a epidemic as we get deeper into this kind of research. My Doctor Sis in Law, who paid much more attention to research in Biology and Chemistry than I did, explains it more like we are opening up a completely different look at many diseases and more important the environments in which that live.

As for how we distribute the profits for “Shareholders”? I would assume the same way that we do with CDC research for communicable diseases or NIH research into heart disease. Both are partnerships with the pharmaceuticals and we get drugs on the market quicker, we get drugs that we would not have had if “shareholder” dollars had not kicked in for research. We get many clinics that receive free or low cost drugs to help those who cannot help themselves receive treatments that they could not afford.

AIDS research is a very good model for how government monies were used to fight a disease that affected millions. I am not talking about the monies poured into it after Reagan was finally embarrassed into admitting there was a problem. I am talking about the basic blood research that was done at NIH and CDC as pure research, on CATS - which led to the initial breakthroughs in AIDS research.

Sometimes you have to fund pure research for the sake of the research and hope that it will be the foundation for other blocks of research that may not be obvious.

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AIDS research is a very good model for how government monies were used to fight a disease that affected millions. I am not talking about the monies poured into it after Reagan was finally embarrassed into admitting there was a problem. I am talking about the basic blood research that was done at NIH and CDC as pure research, on CATS - which led to the initial breakthroughs in AIDS research.
Very different animal -- there was a perception (true or not) that AIDS could reach epidemic proportions and threaten the security and welfare of our country. Stem cell research does not fall under that umbrella, IMHO.

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If we were facing an epidemic that constituted a threat to our national welfare, I'd say you have a point, but that isn't what's at stake here. If our money is invested in such a manner, how are the profits to be distributed to the "shareholders"? Hint: all we'll really be doing is subsidizing a new arm of the pharmaceutical industry, and it is they who will realize the profits on our investment (involuntary donation).
GS, if private funding is used to exploit some breakthrough aspect of an industry like the healthcare industry that touches almost everyone at a time when they are least rational, we would almost certainly have products introduced at very high prices that are totally protected by secrecy and voodoo methodologies to preclude competition. If the government funds the research the results have to be made public, and even when some aspects are hidden by the contracting arrangement when a corporate laboratory is involved, the essence of the research is published at a detail level where competitors have a paved road to follow to success instead of a path intertwined with untold dead ends that have to be sorted, tried and tossed aside.

In the long term the investments our government makes in our high tech industries always pay back with high paying jobs and lots of taxes. The other choice is to let this work be done by the Chinese or in India or some other place where the know how database is built outside America, because that would cost a private company less. Jim
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