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I think it's about time that we legitimize Fattah and let it emerge as the secular group that it is rather than make Islam the battle cry in that region.
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Separatist strategy will not work due to the world economy.
Then we should abolish nationhood altogether, and embrace the new world order of a single elected government of earth.

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Oh, so you are the overlord of the universe.
But of course, if we freeze assets because of who we percieve a group is then we are the overlords. Remember Bot's post about the law congress passed for that purpose?
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I think it's about time that we legitimize Fattah and let it emerge as the secular group that it is rather than make Islam the battle cry in that region.
Why not legitimize Hamas?
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^ Another overlord -- you guys are everywhere. Do they get to legitimize our government as well?

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Then we should abolish nationhood altogether, and embrace the new world order of a single elected government of earth.
Run by Bush so he can send Jayhawk as the world's ambassador to the space aliens to negotiate their surrender too
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Why not legitimize Hamas?
Hamas was an Israeli invention, did you know that? Read up on the invasion of Lebanon back in the eighties then come back to me with your suggestion
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The Palestinian people may have, in your terms, 'legitimized' them, but the Palestinian people used terrorism as a method to achieve their goal of a free state. Now that the free state has been granted, they have resorted to more terrorism against their own people. I have maintained that terrorists who are terrorists for too long a time will lose the vision they have so long fought for and use it, instead, as a way of life since that is all they know. You see it now in Palestine and Iraq. They are terrorists because that's all they know to do. It's what they're good at and they do not wish to give up that way of life. Hence, there will never be any peace with these people because they see any efforts to negotiate with them as not only a weakness, but they see their 'terrorism' being legitimized by the negotiator. You meet with them, they smile and make concessions and you end up with a bullet in your back as you walk away. This has been proven over and over again throughout the years but there are still people who think you can talk to these 'terrorists'.

Comparing our founding fathers to terrorists in the middle east who use their children to strap on bombs and do suicide attacks insults our country and the principles in which it was founded. We fought against a tyrannical government that suppressed the will of the people. What are these idiots fighting for? We weren't in Iraq, Pakistan or Afghanistan with occupational forces when we were attacked on 9/11. So I'm not going to buy the fact that us being there now created terrorists. They hated us before and they'll hate us no matter what we do. You can't negotiate with someone who has proven for decades that they don't play by the rules. Anyone non-muslim to these terrorists is a threat and they will seek to destroy 'infidels' so long as they live and breathe.
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Bot, you for one should really not make such utterly stupid comments as you are an extremely intelligent person. We did not recognize Pervez Musharraf when he took over in a military coup. We thought he was the biggest piece of shit and USA did not want to have any relations with Pakistan. Remember? Back then actually Pervez Musharraf pretty much showed America his middle finger and the 2 countries had nothing to do with each other. America strengthened its sanctions against Pakistan but Pakistan and Musharraf still did not bow to USA. FAST FORWARD..........9-11. America is shitting. Pervez Musharraf agrees to help America's war on terrorism. America starts to kiss Musharraf's ass and now has no problem in not only accepting him but wanting and needing him desperately to stay in power.
BOT, America is a country that has the least respect for international law. It breaks them as it please and creates new laws to suit itself (Guantanamo bay, ILLEGAL wire taps). So do not come up with all that sissy talk and suddenly become ethical and moral and talk about "breaking the law" boo hooo. BULLSHIT! America is basically now Israel's bitch and that's about it while China is working hard to become the one and only superpower in the world. Once Israel has gotten everything out of USA and has used it then it will throw America away like a dirty diaper and would probably turn against America and try to start to use China in the same way its using America.
Conveniently ignoring the existence of a law prohibiting dealing with designated terrorist organizations.

Don't like the law? I don't either.

Is the law the current president's fault? You might think so if you do not understand how laws are made.

So how do you change the law or abolish it? See Congress, not the Executive Branch.

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Conveniently ignoring the existence of a law prohibiting dealing with designated terrorist organizations.

Don't like the law? I don't either.

Is the law the current president's fault? You might think so if you do not understand how laws are made.

So how do you change the law or abolish it? See Congress, not the Executive Branch.

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Sound all nice and tidy, Mr. B, and it is, but you know and I know that if Bush wanted to negotiate with Hamas, he would -- end of story.

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