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Is anyone stupid enough to believe the public wants more Republicans in Congress?
Only time will tell what the public wants. There are three choices in the next election:

1) Fewer Republicans
2) The same number of Republicans
3) More Republicans

The American people will speak as they have in every other election and we will all have to live with their choice - good, bad, or indifferent.

I will say I am very concerned by the candidates from both parties. Personally I would like to throw them all back and try a new lot.
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A majority has voted to end the war three times, and two times they were stopped by Republican filibuster and one time by Republican Presidential veto. What do you want them to do, hold the Republicans at gunpoint? The votes to end GOP obstructionism are simply not there. Until it ends, the war will not end. Either the voters are going to end it or the GOP is going to smarten up.
These assholes rolled over and gave the Bush administration everything it wanted in the funding package. All they needed was a little backbone, which shouldn't have been too hard to find with a majority of the American voters behind them. They were elected for the express purpose of standing up to the administration in regard to the Iraq war, and instead they decided to cave like the pack of Nancy-boys they are. If you don't think that's where it all turned south, you're fooling yourself. Pelosi hasn't helped either, trying to act all high and mighty with her world travels, apparently unconcerned with issues at home. That dumb bitch should have stayed home and remained as humble as possible. And I won't even mention the continuation of earmark abuse.......

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Pelosi hasn't helped either, trying to act all high and mighty with her world travels, apparently unconcerned with issues at home. That dumb bitch should have stayed home and remained as humble as possible. And I won't even mention the continuation of earmark abuse.......
I hope no one is surprised by Pelosi's. The hand writing was on the wall prior to her taking over as leader.

The only thing politicians are concerned about is themselves. How can they help themselves to more money, more power, getting perks for free, etc.
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That reminds me! I was out in the 107 on the Baltimore (695) Beltway, Saturday, top down, flashy new sunvisors cuttin' the rays (Thanks, McBear) when I glanced up at a new sign affixed to the center of an overpass (UK: flyover).
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I was by it before I could get the phone into camera mode without crashing. I thought G.S. would find it entertaining.

The campaign sign...not me, crashing.
I like it!

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Only time will tell what the public wants. There are three choices in the next election:

1) Fewer Republicans
2) The same number of Republicans
3) More Republicans

The American people will speak as they have in every other election and we will all have to live with their choice - good, bad, or indifferent.

I will say I am very concerned by the candidates from both parties. Personally I would like to throw them all back and try a new lot.
4) Less yellow ribbon waving shithead right wing suckers

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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These assholes rolled over and gave the Bush administration everything it wanted in the funding package. All they needed was a little backbone, which shouldn't have been too hard to find with a majority of the American voters behind them. They were elected for the express purpose of standing up to the administration in regard to the Iraq war, and instead they decided to cave like the pack of Nancy-boys they are. If you don't think that's where it all turned south, you're fooling yourself. Pelosi hasn't helped either, trying to act all high and mighty with her world travels, apparently unconcerned with issues at home. That dumb bitch should have stayed home and remained as humble as possible. And I won't even mention the continuation of earmark abuse.......
What Congress giveth, Congress can take away. Like I said, the votes were not there. All of that changes in September. They are three GOP votes in the Senate from making this work, and in September, they will get them.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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The votes were there. They passed their bill, Bush vetoed it, then they all rolled over like a bunch of Nancy boys.....

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These assholes rolled over and gave the Bush administration everything it wanted in the funding package. All they needed was a little backbone, which shouldn't have been too hard to find with a majority of the American voters behind them. They were elected for the express purpose of standing up to the administration in regard to the Iraq war, and instead they decided to cave like the pack of Nancy-boys they are. If you don't think that's where it all turned south, you're fooling yourself. Pelosi hasn't helped either, trying to act all high and mighty with her world travels, apparently unconcerned with issues at home. That dumb bitch should have stayed home and remained as humble as possible. And I won't even mention the continuation of earmark abuse.......
I have to agree. I was severely disappointed in the lack of backbone. They should have at the very least given funding one month at a time until the issue was driven home with Bush and the Republicans. Instead they buckled and gave Bush a blank check. The choice should have been funding with time limits and measurable benchmarks, or no funding because Bush vetoed it again. Or just no funding. Bring them home and that is it.

While there may not have been a majority needed to pass a nice neat bill, there is surely enough of a majority to never authorize any funding. Unfortunately Bush vetoed and allowed the onus for taking action to be shoved off on Congress. The facts are, if the troops need the funding, Bush needed to compromise to get them the funding because his policies and running of the event has earned him a "no confidence" vote from the American people. Congress did have the votes needed to push this to the limit and they backed off. Bad move. Jim
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A shill huh?

Nice try but I am hardly a shill. I disagree with both major parties on a huge number of issues. If I was a shill I would not denegrate the Republicans for the shit they both do and don't do.

Despite your simplistic vision believe it or not you can actually support some of the decisions a party makes and not be a shill. I know it is a hard concept for you to understand but please do try.
Name one. I see no daylight between you and say, Inhofe..? McConnell? Ted Stevens? Tom Tancredo?

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What do you want them to do, hold the Republicans at gunpoint? .
Now THIS is where the great Kentucky Statesman Henry "The Great Compromiser" Clay came in. He believed a good Senate Duel was a good thing.

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The administration of John Quincy Adams was under constant attack from Senator John Randolph of Virginia, and these attacks included Henry Clay. During a Senate investigation of the “Congress in Panama”, and role of Secretary Clay, Randolph referred to Clay as, “a rotting mackerel by moonlight, shines and stinks and stinks and shines.” When no other senator called Randolph to order and when the President of the Senate, John C. Calhoun, said nothing, Clay rose up in his own defense and challenged Randolph to a duel.

The Randolph Clay duel was held in Virginia. The first time both men fired and missed. The second time Clay’s bullet ripped a hole in Randolph’s coat near the hip. Randolph responded by firing into the air. Randolph then marched towards Clay with his hand ready for a handshake and said, “You owe me a coat Mr. Clay”. Clay immediately shook Randolph’s hand and said, “I am glad the debt is no greater”.

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