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U.S. Financial Aid To Israel: Figures, Facts, and Impact

Summary
Benefits to Israel of U.S. Aid
Since 1949 (As of November 1, 1997)

Foreign Aid Grants and Loans
$74,157,600,000

Other U.S. Aid (12.2% of Foreign Aid)
$9,047,227,200

Interest to Israel from Advanced Payments
$1,650,000,000

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Total Benefits per Israeli
$14,630
Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S.
Aid to Israel

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Interest Costs Borne by U.S.
$49,936,680,000

Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers
$134,791,507,200

Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli
$23,240

No thats how you make a statement....
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Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!! "Bipartisan" my ass. Bush WH, GOP congress, record earmarks, not a single veto in six years. This GOP abomination stands as a disgraceful betrayal of the American people. I only wish they could all be prosecuted and ordered to pay restitution.
Didn't I just read a post of yours talking about Hillary and her record earmarks? Maybe I should rephrase it and say both parties are a bunch of crooks seeking the same pork for their districts (but that would be 'bipartisan', would it not??).

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Didn't I just read a post of yours talking about Hillary and her record earmarks? Maybe I should rephrase it and say both parties are a bunch of crooks seeking the same pork for their districts (but that would be 'bipartisan', would it not??).
Yeah, but we're talking about the Bush WH and tax cuts, let's not add the last couple of months to 6 years of obscene abuse and call it bipartisan -- it wasn't. GOP WH, GOP Congress, the responsibility was entirely their's and it seems a bit disingenuous to claim otherwise. The GOP has taken financial abuse to an entirely new level, and they now share responsibility with all that follow for lowering the bar to such an egregious degree.

OTOH, the Dems had a responsibility to clean up that shit hole, and their failure to do so stands as another betrayal of the American people.

They each have their claims to shame, no doubt, but I'd hardly call it a joint effort.

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A good debate is best servered with a side of research and a cup of facts. Let ignorance starve to death......LOL. I like it when some one takes time to back thier opinions with research.
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A good debate is best servered with a side of research and a cup of facts. Let ignorance starve to death......LOL. I like it when some one takes time to back thier opinions with research.
And that data is 10 years old! Who knows how many BILLIONS have been added to the numbers from November, 1997 to 2007. These numbers could easily have doubled in the last 10 years alone!
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So your point is that Isreal should recieve more aid, correct? Hear Hear! Sir I raise my glass to you. We should consider doing more to support the one true democracy and the one country in the Middle East we can count on.
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So your point is that Isreal should recieve more aid, correct? Hear Hear! Sir I raise my glass to you. We should consider doing more to support the one true democracy and the one country in the Middle East we can count on.
What can they do for us? What have they EVER done for us except spy on us. Someone that hand that feeds you is not can never be considered a true friend. I would love to see what your friends are like. Talk about "clues"
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You're using the same reasoning as FTL: Our money belongs to the government first, which is socialistic. Tax cuts created a revenue boost. It's not my fault or yours that our bipartisan over spending has resulted in record deficits. But you attribute the tax cuts as the reason for the deficit and that isn't true at all. It's the overspending that's doing it. As I said before: We have a net increase in tax receipts, NOT A DECREASE! This is because the money the American people received as a tax cut was spent and stimulated the economy which, in turn, allows the dollar to turn over more in the economy creating more tax revenue. So your point that tax cuts created the deficit is without merit. Irresponsible spending is what did it. But why do you want to blame the tax cuts as the reason instead of the overspending? Leave the taxes alone and cut spending and you will see a resulting decline in the deficit.
No, read what I wrote. Bush charged the tax cut on a charge card and stuck YOU and ME with the bill. That is NOT assuming the money is that of the government.

I never said that the tax cuts were the CAUSE of the deficits, only a contributor. And yes we have a net increase in tax receipts BUT we have a net increase in tax debits that is higher which negates the positives of the receipts. SIMPLE MATH.

You really need to read what I wrote and understand it before trying to obfuscate it and make it say something that I did not write.

Your last point of "leave the tax cuts alone and cut spending" might work. It would have worked VERY WELL in 2002-2006 had the Republican Congress and Republican Administration [the two folks that write the budgets] done just that, even with the $1.3Trillion War On Terror budget items. NOW, with $5TRILLION extra in the hole, NOT SO EASY.

With the current borrowing on the future to stimulate the economy this Administration has done TWO things. First, INJECTED $5TRILLION of borrowed CASH into the economy and second INJECTED $400BILLION in TAX CUT REFUNDS into the economy. Where is the NATIONAL ECONOMY? Housing is near crashing on a national basis. Manufacturing is Offshore [Boeing being one of the major exceptions - and its planes are going overseas], the DOLLAR is at an ALLTIME LOW, the Dollar is no longer considered "standard" in international trading.

Much of what is touted as our Booming economy is due to International Corporations which are doing well. IBM, Citibank, BoA, folks who have massive international presence and international investments. They benefit when the dollar tanks, they benefit from cheap offshore labor [IBM has the same number of workers today as in 1997, only now just 120,000 are US as opposed to 500,000].

Now that booming economy, might go on, or might not but the $5Trillion bill is still with us, and the $400Billion Tax Cuts may or may not have contributed.

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A good debate is best servered with a side of research and a cup of facts. Let ignorance starve to death......LOL. I like it when some one takes time to back thier opinions with research.
How much has Israel paid McDonald Douglas, Boeing, General Motors and the rest of the Military Industrial Complex during that 60 year period for military equipment that they buy from us? I didn't see that information in the cup.

I am not one to see monies go to foreign aide but I also remember that all of Israel's neighbors were trying to wipe Israel off the map back in 1948-49 which led to the US and other countries providing monies for Israel. That was within days of the UN mandate establishing Israel. So I believe much of the history of monies going to Israel are as a result of the actions of Israel's neighborhood welcome wagon so soon after Mr. Hitler had tried to wipe them off the face of the Earth. Americans are sympathetic like that.

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