Originally Posted by JimSmith
You have to be kidding. First, what I said was that Iraq/Saddam had no role in the War on Terror until we occupied the joint. A "role" in the WOT which might warrant the invasion of Iraq by US forces could be defined as participating, supporting or organizing acts of terror against the US and its interests. I did not say Iraq and Bin Laden didn't know each other.
The relationship between Bin Laden and the US is stronger, historically, than what you cited between Iraq/Saddam and Bin Laden. I think you are grasping at straws merely to be argumentative. There is no evidence cited that shows Saddam was a player in the crowd that has attacked the US and its interests around the world for the past decade. Yet there is an abundance of evidence that Ossamma was behind the 9-11-2001 attack. And you engage in nuanced misrepresentations of official reports to suggest Saddam and Iraq were comparably guilty, even complicit, in this attack, which started the war on terror.
Our relationship with Bin laden ended with the Soviet retreat from Afghanistan. And as I suppose you know, the relationship was not with Bin Laden per se but with the Mujahedeen resisting the Soviet invasion, of which Bin Laden was a minor player.
On the other hand, the relationship between Saddam and Bin Laden followed the opposite trajectory -- started hostile and was evolving through accommodation toward a relationship that that could cause one to consider the consequences, if one were inclined with predict growing malignancies rather than wringing one's hands in hopeful silence.
Nowhere in anything I said or implied suggests in any way that Saddam played any role whatsoever in the 9/11 plot. However, I am absolutely comfortable with the concept that Iraq is a battle in the WoT, as are the Bali bombers, the Philippine Muslim insurgency, the bombers in Britain, and the various incompetent gangs that couldn't shoot straight that hope to blow something up in NYC.
I agree with GS and others that the cell recently uncovered in NYC is another one of those -- a loose confederation of incompetents who probably couldn't knock-over a 7-11. I am very uncomfortable with the process by which indictments are brought as it seems awfully close to entrapment. OTOH, even soldiers who can't shoot straight occasionally get lucky. What would we be saying if this cell of Don Knott's clones had actually been able to blow-up some portion of the tank farm? All it would take would be one missing ingredient -- a competent leader. That is, somebody with great leadership skills and the KASOC's.