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I think Neville Chamberlain had the same ideas that you have now, isolationism didn't work then, and it sure as heck isn't going to work now.
I thought Chamberlain's policy, at least with respect to Nazism and Chancellor Hitler was called "appeasement"(?)

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I thought Chamberlain's policy, at least with respect to Nazism and Chancellor Hitler was called "appeasement" (?)
Isn't "appeasement" a form of isolationism? (I’ll leave you alone if you leave me alone.) Seems like we have a few here that think if we don’t see something, it’s not happening, so don’t look in that direction.
We shouldn’t interfere even it we know the “other guys” are, and setting us up for problems in the future. Covert actions are going on all over the world by damn near everybody, but we should stay in our own little cocoon and we'll be friends with everybody...... sure we will.....

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Carter says remarks on Bush ‘careless‘
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23 May, 2007


By DON SCHANCHE JR., Associated Press Writer Mon May 21, 8:25 PM ET

ATLANTA - Former President Jimmy Carter said Monday his remarks were "careless or misinterpreted" when he said the Bush administration has been the "worst in history" for its impact around the world.

Carter said Monday that when he made the comment, he was responding to a question comparing the Bush administration‘s foreign policy to that of Richard Nixon .

"I think this administration‘s foreign policy compared to president Nixon‘s was much worse," he said, but he said he did not mean to call it the worst in history.

In audio posted Saturday on the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette‘s Web site, an interviewer asked Carter: "Which president was worse, George W. Bush or Richard Nixon?"

Frank Fellone, deputy editor at the Democrat-Gazette, said Monday that the newspaper‘s story was "accurate and also contextual."

The White House on Saturday had dismissed Carter after the remarks as "increasingly irrelevant."

After the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette story appeared, Carter spokeswoman Deanna Congileo had confirmed his comments to The Associated Press.

"The overt reversal of America‘s basic values as expressed by previous administrations, including those of George H.W. Bush and Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon and others, has been the most disturbing to me," the newspaper quoted Carter as saying.
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Isn't "appeasement" a form of isolationism? (I’ll leave you alone if you leave me alone.) Seems like we have a few here that think if we don’t see something, it’s not happening, so don’t look in that direction.
We shouldn’t interfere even it we know the “other guys” are, and setting us up for problems in the future. Covert actions are going on all over the world by damn near everybody, but we should stay in our own little cocoon and we'll be friends with everybody...... sure we will.....
No. Appeasement is acquiescence to a threat, isolationism is non-involvement.

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No. Appeasement is acquiescence to a threat, isolationism is non-involvement.
Would you agree with me that isolationism requires at least acquiescence to that policy inside and outside of the country?

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Would you agree with me that isolationism requires at least acquiescence to that policy inside and outside of the country?

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I could give a better answer if you were more specific as to which or what sort of "policy" you mean. Isolationism does not mean being or acting timidly. It is non-involvement in other nation's policies, whether they are military or economic. Maybe you think that is appeasement, and maybe it can be under some circumstances, but not as a general rule, IMHO.

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No. Appeasement is acquiescence to a threat, isolationism is non-involvement.
Appeasement is acquiescence to a threat, to avoid involvment.... hence isolationism.....

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Isn't "appeasement" a form of isolationism? (I’ll leave you alone if you leave me alone).
I'll go along with that Bruce.

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No. Appeasement is acquiescence to a threat, isolationism is non-involvement.
Good definitions old300D.

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Appeasement implies subservience, which therefore implies an active relationship, thus does not fall under a blanket of isolationism, which implies minimal interaction and political neutrality. That is an immense distinction.

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