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At Least On This Board The "Left" Seems More Hostile..

Thomas Sowell: Why are people on the left always so mad?
Soak the rich,


unless it's Paris Hilton

That people on the political left have a certain set of opinions, just as people do in other parts of the ideological spectrum, is not surprising. What is surprising, however, is how often the opinions of those on the left are accompanied by hostility and even hatred.

Particular issues can arouse passions here and there for anyone with any political views. But, for many on the left, indignation is not a sometime thing. It is a way of life.

How often have you seen conservatives or libertarians take to the streets, shouting angry slogans? How often have conservative students on campus shouted down a visiting speaker or rioted to prevent the visitor from speaking at all?

The source of the anger of liberals, "progressives" or radicals is by no means readily apparent. The targets of their anger have included people who are nonconfrontational or even genial, such as Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush.
It is hard to think of a time when Karl Rove or Dick Cheney has even raised his voice but they are hated like the devil incarnate.
There doesn't even have to be any identifiable individual to arouse the ire of the left. "Tax cuts for the rich" is more than a political slogan. It is incitement to anger.

All sorts of people can have all sorts of beliefs about what tax rates are best from various points of view. But how can people work themselves into a lather over the fact that some taxpayers are able to keep more of the money they earned, instead of turning it over to politicians to dispense in ways calculated to get themselves re-elected?

The angry left has no time to spend even considering the argument that what they call "tax cuts for the rich" are in fact tax cuts for the economy.
Nor is the idea new that tax cuts can sometimes spur economic growth, resulting in more jobs for workers and higher earnings for business, leading to more tax revenue for the government.

A highly regarded economist once observed that "taxation may be so high as to defeat its object," so that sometimes "a reduction of taxation will run a better chance, than an increase, of balancing the Budget."

Who said that? Milton Friedman? Arthur Laffer? No. It was said in 1933 by John Maynard Keynes, a liberal icon.

Lower tax rates have led to higher tax revenues many times, both before and since Keynes' statement -- the Kennedy tax cuts in the 1960s, the Reagan tax cuts in the 1980s, and the recent Bush tax cuts that have led to record high tax revenues this April.

Budget deficits have often resulted from runaway spending but seldom from reduced tax rates.

Those on the other side may have different arguments. However, the question here is not why the left has different arguments, but why there is such anger.
Often it is an exercise in futility even to seek to find a principle behind the anger. For example, the left's obsession with the high incomes of corporate executives never seems to extend to equally high -- or higher -- incomes of professional athletes, entertainers, or best-selling authors.

If the reason for the anger is a feeling that corporate CEOs are overpaid for their contributions, then there should be even more anger at people who get even more money for doing absolutely nothing, because they have inherited fortunes.
Yet how often has the left gotten worked up into high dudgeon over those who inherited the Rockefeller, Roosevelt or Kennedy fortunes? Even spoiled heirs like Paris Hilton don't really seem to set them off.

If it is hard to find a principle behind what angers the left, it is not equally hard to find an attitude.

Their greatest anger seems to be directed at people and things that thwart or undermine the social vision of the left, the political melodrama starring the left as saviors of the poor, the environment, and other busybody tasks that they have taken on.

It seems to be the threat to their egos that they hate. And nothing is more of a threat to their desire to run other people's lives than the free market and its defenders.

Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305. His Web site is Thomas Sowell | Home.

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I'm sure it has nothing to do with the divisive politics and corruption of the right, who are ignoring the Constitution and undermining the founding principles of this country to ensure and perpetuate their grip on power, regardless of the will of the people.

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I'm sure it has nothing to do with the divisive politics and corruption of the right, who are ignoring the Constitution and undermining the founding principles of this country to ensure and perpetuate their grip on power, regardless of the will of the people.
Why is it that you continue to accentuate the corruptions of conservatives but continue to ignore the corruptions of liberals? And what is this 'will of the people'? Do you not know this is NOT a democracy, but a representative republic? Of course these politicians are going to vote against the will of the people, sometimes. The will of the people is not always right which is why a representative republic is more stable than a democracy, oft times correctly referred to as a 'mobocracy'. If what is going on happens to be wrong, which some points we can both agree on, it will come out in the wash.

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When we watch a mechanic working on our car, who is totally inept and messing that car up, costing us money and then refuses to accept responsibility for his actions, we all would get mad at that, Left or Right. Amplify that to 11.

We watched our country go to war for no logical reason, based on lies. We have a war that was a "slam dunk" with no planning, no exit strategy, no fixed goals and end in sight. We have seen constitutional rights abridged such as wire tap laws [that one is coming back express], illegal detainment, illegal search and seizure. We have executive letters to circumvent the laws of the land. We have a budget that has gone from surplus to $5T Debt with another 5 years before it can get green again.

And then we have Rumsfield, Delay, Lay, Gonzales, Libby, Meyers, Wolfiewitz, Tenet, Ashcroft, Chertoff, Brown, Rove and the beat goes on.

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Why is it that you continue to accentuate the corruptions of conservatives but continue to ignore the corruptions of liberals? And what is this 'will of the people'? Do you not know this is NOT a democracy, but a representative republic? Of course these politicians are going to vote against the will of the people, sometimes. The will of the people is not always right which is why a representative republic is more stable than a democracy, oft times correctly referred to as a 'mobocracy'. If what is going on happens to be wrong, which some points we can both agree on, it will come out in the wash.
I don't need to "accentuate" the corruption of the right. By any objective observation it dominates because the republicans hold the power, and there is considerable evidence there is focus on holding that power using any means neccessary.

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I don't need to "accentuate" the corruption of the right. By any objective observation it dominates because the republicans hold the power, and there is considerable evidence there is focus on holding that power using any means neccessary.
It seems that left wing Dems from California are doing their part when it comes to corruption


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Thomas Sowell: Why are people on the left always so mad?
Soak the rich,

That people on the political left have a certain set of opinions, just as people do in other parts of the ideological spectrum, is not surprising. What is surprising, however, is how often the opinions of those on the left are accompanied by hostility and even hatred.
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It seems to be the threat to their egos that they hate. And nothing is more of a threat to their desire to run other people's lives than the free market and its defenders.

Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305. His Web site is Thomas Sowell | Home.
Great article! Right on!! As I've said many times, the numerous lefties here are very hostile and consistently negative. Negative about almost everything that is positive. I like to call them grumpy (mc)bears...

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I'm sure it has nothing to do with the divisive politics and corruption of the right, who are ignoring the Constitution and undermining the founding principles of this country to ensure and perpetuate their grip on power, regardless of the will of the people.
So soon, you give credibility to Sowell's argument...

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When we watch a mechanic working on our car, who is totally inept and messing that car up, costing us money and then refuses to accept responsibility for his actions, we all would get mad at that, Left or Right. Amplify that to 11.

We watched our country go to war for no logical reason, based on lies. We have a war that was a "slam dunk" with no planning, no exit strategy, no fixed goals and end in sight. We have seen constitutional rights abridged such as wire tap laws [that one is coming back express], illegal detainment, illegal search and seizure. We have executive letters to circumvent the laws of the land. We have a budget that has gone from surplus to $5T Debt with another 5 years before it can get green again.

And then we have Rumsfield, Delay, Lay, Gonzales, Libby, Meyers, Wolfiewitz, Tenet, Ashcroft, Chertoff, Brown, Rove and the beat goes on.
This thread wouldn't be complete w/out you, grumpy (mc)bear! I'm surprised it took you so long to chime in...

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So soon, you give credibility to Sowell's argument...
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