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What makes it so outrageous is he is calling out only Muslims. How would he propose identifying "Muslims"? As if just having Islamic faith has anything to do with anything. He's a total freaking nutcase, and needs to get a rabies shot.

Let me put this in perspective. Replace the instance of "muslim" with another word of your choice: what about "jew"? or "mormon"????

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Here is why this scenario is POSSIBLE:
SHERMAN: The administration has put forward various theories under which anyone, even American citizens, could be arrested without being charged with a crime. One of these is the theory that you could be classified as an enemy combatant. Are there any American citizens being held today, for over a month, who have been denied habeas corpus or access to an attorney?
GONZALES: I don’t believe so, Congressman.
SHERMAN: Wouldn’t it be your duty as Attorney General to make sure that their rights to habeas corpus were honored?
GONZALES: Well, you know, there’s a lot of people in this government and sometimes people do things that they shouldn’t be –
And I’m not suggesting that’s occurring here. But you’re asking me a question I hadn’t really thought about.
SHERMAN: Is there any agency answerable to the Department of Justice –
GONZALES: We’re all answerable to — put the Constitution into our laws, yes.
SHERMAN: Now, are there any U.S. citizens being held now by foreign governments or foreign organizations, without access to attorneys, as a result of rendition, where agents of the administration have taken people into custody and then given them up to foreign officials?
GONZALES: I don’t — Congressman, I don’t know if I have the question to that question either. It’s something I would have to look at.
SHERMAN: Wouldn’t you, as the chief officer responsible for protecting our civil rights, want to know?
GONZALES: Yes. And I’m not suggesting that that is occurring — It’s just — quite frankly, I hadn’t thought about this.

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You know, treatment is available.
If that is true, you should seek help........... ASAP

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"the NSA should monitor their phones and their emails"

Well DUH!!!! That's what they do anyway.. And even the CIA has their yearly budget published.. NSA doesn't. So who knows how much they get and what exactly they spend it on.

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"the NSA should monitor their phones and their emails"

Well DUH!!!! That's what they do anyway.. And even the CIA has their yearly budget published.. NSA doesn't. So who knows how much they get and what exactly they spend it on.
Yes the NSA does that but do you agree with this?
"Muslim immigrant to America who holds a green card, a visa, or who is a naturalized citizen to be required by law to wear a GPS tracking bracelet at all times"
I mean we don't even do it to child molestors
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Yes the NSA does that but do you agree with this?
"Muslim immigrant to America who holds a green card, a visa, or who is a naturalized citizen to be required by law to wear a GPS tracking bracelet at all times"
I mean we don't even do it to child molestors
Do I agree with that? No not unless the person has given the powers that be cause to do such action.

And as for child molestors. Looks like they will be getting a special vehicle tag issued only to them in the state of Alabama. I'm sure the aclu will come running to sue, but considering the high failure to register rate in the state they did it to themselves.

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Do I agree with that? No not unless the person has given the powers that be cause to do such action.

And as for child molestors. Looks like they will be getting a special vehicle tag issued only to them in the state of Alabama. I'm sure the aclu will come running to sue, but considering the high failure to register rate in the state they did it to themselves.
What would be a good reason for the powers to be to gather all of the American Muslims and put on them tracking devices or intern them?
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What would be a good reason for the powers to be to gather all of the American Muslims and put on them tracking devices or intern them?
What was a "good reason" to do the same to the Japanese-Americans in WW II? Yet the Dmocrat Government at the time did just that didn't they? I might also add that there were camps for German and Italian-Americans as well, but for some reason this is not as well known. Some Germans were held in these camps until 1946, well after the war. Could ask for reasons for that as well...........

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Do we want another Fort Missoula?
Actually some German Americans were held until 1947 (Ellis Island)
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Nigel Jones reviews After the Reich: From the Liberation of Vienna to the Berlin Airlift by Giles MacDonogh
Giles MacDonogh is a bon viveur and a historian of wine and gastronomy, but in this book, pursuing his other consuming interest - German history - he serves a dish to turn the strongest of stomachs. It makes particularly uncomfortable reading for those who compare the disastrous occupation of Iraq unfavourably to the post-war settlement of Germany and Austria.
MacDonogh argues that the months that followed May 1945 brought no peace to the shattered skeleton of Hitler's Reich, but suffering even worse than the destruction wrought by the war. After the atrocities that the Nazis had visited on Europe, some degree of justified vengeance by their victims was inevitable, but the appalling bestialities that MacDonogh documents so soberly went far beyond that. The first 200 pages of his brave book are an almost unbearable chronicle of human suffering.
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His best estimate is that some three million Germans died unnecessarily after the official end of hostilities. A million soldiers vanished before they could creep back to the holes that had been their homes. The majority of them died in Soviet captivity (of the 90,000 who surrendered at Stalingrad, only 5,000 eventually came home) but, shamingly, many thousands perished as prisoners of the Anglo-Americans. Herded into cages along the Rhine, with no shelter and very little food, they dropped like flies. Others, more fortunate, toiled as slave labour in a score of Allied countries, often for years. Incredibly, some Germans were still being held in Russia as late as 1979.
The two million German civilians who died were largely the old, women and children: victims of disease, cold, hunger, suicide - and mass murder.
Apart from the well-known repeated rape of virtually every girl and woman unlucky enough to be in the Soviet occupation zones, perhaps the most shocking outrage recorded by MacDonogh - for the first time in English - is the slaughter of a quarter of a million Sudeten Germans by their vengeful Czech compatriots. The survivors of this ethnic cleansing, naked and shivering, were pitched across the border, never to return to their homes. Similar scenes were seen across Poland, Silesia and East Prussia as age-old German communities were brutally expunged.
Given that what amounted to a lesser Holocaust was unfolding under their noses, it may be asked why the western Allies did not stop this venting of long-dammed-up rage on the (mainly) innocent. MacDonogh's answer is that it could all have been even worse. The US Treasury Secretary, Henry Morgenthau, favoured turning Germany into a gigantic farm, and there were genocidal Nazi-like schemes afoot to starve, sterilise or deport the population of what was left of the bombed-out cities.
The discovery of the Nazi death camps stoked Allied fury, with General George Patton asking an aide amid the horrors of Buchenwald: 'Do you still find it hard to hate them?' But the surviving inmates were soon replaced by German captives - Dachau, Buchenwald, Sachsenhausen and even Auschwitz stayed in business after the war, only now with the Germans behind the wire.
It was Realpolitik, not humanitarian concern, that caused a swift shift in western attitudes towards their former foes. Fear of Communism spreading into the heart of Europe, and the barbarities of the Russians - who kidnapped and killed hundreds of their perceived enemies from the western zones of Berlin and Vienna - belatedly made the West realise that they had beaten one totalitarian power only to be threatened by another.
Even that hardline Kraut-hater Patton was sacked for advocating a pre-emptive strike against Russia. Building up West Germany and saving Berlin from Soviet strangulation with the 1948 airlift became the first battles of the Cold War - even if that meant overlooking Nazi crimes and enlisting Nazi criminals in the 'economic miracle' of reconstruction.
Although MacDonogh roundly condemns all the occupying powers, the British emerge with some credit. Apart from one Air Marshal who looted art treasures; and an MI5 interrogator nicknamed 'Tin Eye' Stephens who ran a private torture chamber, British hands may have been grubby, but were not deeply blood-stained. British squaddies preferred to purchase their sex privately with a packet of fags or a pair of nylons, rather than in the Soviet style.
MacDonogh has written a gruelling but important book. This unhappy story has long been cloaked in silence since telling it suited no one. Not the Allies, because it placed them near the moral nadir of the Nazis; nor the Germans, because they did not wish to be accused of whitewashing Hitler by highlighting what was, by any standard, a war crime. Giles MacDonogh has told a very inconvenient truth.
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