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I just had this conversation with a co-worker who said "I just can't believe that we came from monkeys. They're too far different from us. Besides, the Bible says God created us".

The only thing I could really give to offer her (on our little 15 minute break) was:

1. The only problem I've found with evolution is that one species advanced drastically ahead of all other relatives that pretty much remained in close biological proximity of each other. This is likely due to the unexplained self-awareness which accelerated the process, but I can't fully buy into the idea of random genetic mutation to account for the transition of primate to advanced cognitive thought.

2. All things evolve on a scale that we can recognize. Studying etymology will easily show how language can drastically change. You can find darkened caves where fish in darkness will eventually lose their eyes for lack of necessity. Our pineal gland used to be much closer to the forehead, but for some reason, was pushed back into the center. The problem with evolution of humans is that we have a hard time really thinking about such a long span of time.

She conceded to small evolutionary changes (comparatively) and I could tell that it started to sink in how she just needs to expand her frame of reference (time-wise). I didn't really convert her, but at least it got her thinking.

That's the real problem in my opinion. Most creationists simply don't take visual evidence and place it into the correct time frame.

As for the self-awareness issue, I read a very interesting idea that a certain species of primates had a slight genetic difference that allowed the discovery of psilocybin out on the plains of Africa to affect them in ways that other primates were not affected.
Time frame? The earth is six thousand years old
Does manual dexterity have anything to do with our evolution? I mean the shimp's hand almsot look like its feet while ours are more evolved and can do much more complex handeling. Of course let's not forget the size of our brain but the self awarness I think animals are capable of that; if you have pets you know it's true (or maybe I want to bieve that it's true).
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Time frame? The earth is six thousand years old
Does manual dexterity have anything to do with our evolution? I mean the shimp's hand almsot look like its feet while ours are more evolved and can do much more complex handeling. Of course let's not forget the size of our brain but the self awarness I think animals are capable of that; if you have pets you know it's true (or maybe I want to bieve that it's true).
I'm trying to figure out if that was sarcasm.

Last month's scientific american magazine had an article on how Ravens are actually more intelligent than primates in certain ways.

I don't remember the last time my cat pulled out a Rachmaninoff CD because she found it relaxing. The most she does is crap on the floor if I get home late.
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I'm trying to figure out if that was sarcasm.

Last month's scientific american magazine had an article on how Ravens are actually more intelligent than primates in certain ways.

I don't remember the last time my cat pulled out a Rachmaninoff CD because she found it relaxing. The most she does is crap on the floor if I get home late.
You are blind; can't you see the love, the almost human attitudes and behavior these animals have?
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I just had this conversation with a co-worker who said "I just can't believe that we came from monkeys. They're too far different from us. Besides, the Bible says God created us".

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According to H. L. Mencken "It is even harder for the average ape to believe that he has descended from man."

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Actually, Einstein spoke pretty passionately about the mix.

Some of Einstein's Writings on Science and Religion
Good catch! FTL should go back to school--if he was ever there. Charles Darwin also wrote passionately about religion: Charles Darwin: Religious belief

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You are blind; can't you see the love, the almost human attitudes and behavior these animals have?
I think I'm related to Ravens...

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Actually, Einstein spoke pretty passionately about the mix.

Some of Einstein's Writings on Science and Religion
Read your own link. Most of what little Einstein wrote on the subject rejected religion, while recognizing that it has some use for mankind. But does he say its use is the worship of God? No, he sees it as part of the search for him. And the body of work is small, some interviews, a few essays, where for the most part Einstein rejects religion in favor of a scientific spirituality based upon "The Unknown" having a possibility of containing what we call "God". He certainly had no use for religion that is pretty obvious.
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