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Well, Einstein believed in a grand design, hence a consciousness which designed. Not on a small scale like everyone wants. Nothing to pray to for a new car or anything like that. The God he envisioned didn't care about us. He just set things in motion. And, things do seem to make orderly sense. There seems to be reason, but not A reason (for the universe), or specific reasons behind why your life is screwed up (aside from your own doing).

Life might be a product of this system that was created, but life wasn't created separately, consciously, purposely in this system for our benefit.
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I think Old300D said it best so far: "If the 'faithful' had any imagination, they could understand that science was merely describing the mechanisms and methods of their creator."

This is exactly my position on science and God. I believe in God, but do not subscribe to literal interpretations of scripture. I accept and welcome science which explains our world and universe but choose to see its revelations as explanations of God's work.

If I plant a tree and it grows, does it take any of the beauty and mystery away if a botanist comes along and explains photosynthesis to me?
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I think Old300D said it best so far: "If the 'faithful' had any imagination, they could understand that science was merely describing the mechanisms and methods of their creator."

This is exactly my position on science and God. I believe in God, but do not subscribe to literal interpretations of scripture. I accept and welcome science which explains our world and universe but choose to see its revelations as explanations of God's work.

If I plant a tree and it grows, does it take any of the beauty and mystery away if a botanist comes along and explains photosynthesis to me?
You mean it wasn't the rib?

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Do any scientists believe in god? I think not.
Um, yes. In fact there are several FORMER evolutionary scientists who have backed away from macroevolution over the past several years as our science has enabled us to see deeper and deeper into the genome, etc. Indeed, Darwin himself admits in his book that recent discoveries would tear his THEORY apart, and it's humorous to watch his modern devotees (Dawkins, et. als) try to weave fabric around the THEORY to try and hold it together.

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I can never prove that there is not a General Electric toaster flying in orbit around Jupiter. I can not prove that clams do not power the sun's power. But, I do not believe it. Yes, I can't prove that god does not exist any more than I can prove that lambs inhabit Mars. But, I don't belive it.
Um, you can make up anything you want (and technically you can scientifically prove clams don't power the Sun). But there are reasons that the vast majority of people both in the US and across the world actually believe in God. So why do you feel the need to label them?

For a guy who apparently considers himself intelligent and enlightened, your attitude bespeaks one that is prejudicial -- and, dare I say, ignorant. You may as well throw the N word at the African-Americans while you're at it, as well as slam every other minority.

I certainly wouldn't label you as a dumb moron for embracing macroevolution, even though your attitude and perspective certainly suggest that conclusion.

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Read again what I have written. Did I mention belief in god?
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Do any scientists believe in god? I think not.
Darwin did.

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History has taught us that religion is social control for the most part.
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I just had this conversation with a co-worker who said "I just can't believe that we came from monkeys. They're too far different from us. Besides, the Bible says God created us".

The only thing I could really give to offer her (on our little 15 minute break) was:

1. The only problem I've found with evolution is that one species advanced drastically ahead of all other relatives that pretty much remained in close biological proximity of each other. This is likely due to the unexplained self-awareness which accelerated the process, but I can't fully buy into the idea of random genetic mutation to account for the transition of primate to advanced cognitive thought.

2. All things evolve on a scale that we can recognize. Studying etymology will easily show how language can drastically change. You can find darkened caves where fish in darkness will eventually lose their eyes for lack of necessity. Our pineal gland used to be much closer to the forehead, but for some reason, was pushed back into the center. The problem with evolution of humans is that we have a hard time really thinking about such a long span of time.

She conceded to small evolutionary changes (comparatively) and I could tell that it started to sink in how she just needs to expand her frame of reference (time-wise). I didn't really convert her, but at least it got her thinking.

That's the real problem in my opinion. Most creationists simply don't take visual evidence and place it into the correct time frame.

As for the self-awareness issue, I read a very interesting idea that a certain species of primates had a slight genetic difference that allowed the discovery of psilocybin out on the plains of Africa to affect them in ways that other primates were not affected.
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Well, Einstein believed in a grand design, hence a consciousness which designed. Not on a small scale like everyone wants. Nothing to pray to for a new car or anything like that. The God he envisioned didn't care about us. He just set things in motion. And, things do seem to make orderly sense. There seems to be reason, but not A reason (for the universe), or specific reasons behind why your life is screwed up (aside from your own doing).

Life might be a product of this system that was created, but life wasn't created separately, consciously, purposely in this system for our benefit.
I believe you have Einstein mixed up with Issac Newton. Einstein spoke little of his religious beliefs.
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I believe you have Einstein mixed up with Issac Newton. Einstein spoke little of his religious beliefs.
Actually, Einstein spoke pretty passionately about the mix.

Some of Einstein's Writings on Science and Religion
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