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Abortion should be allowed at any time, even after the child is born. 4 16.00%
No man should be allowed to express an opinion on what a woman can do with her body. 4 16.00%
No PBA without true safeguards to demonstrate danger to the mother. 1 4.00%
No abortion for any reason, ever. 3 12.00%
Abortion permitted only in the case of rape or incest. 4 16.00%
Abortion is a sad fact of life, but there should be reasonable restrictions. 7 28.00%
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Ok, but on a very cynical note(not my view as Im against abortion ), if the women don't want men to discuss this issue, then how about this:

If the couple is not married and the woman gets the choice(to keep or abort w/o any input from the man), she can also foot the whole bill if the man doesn't want any responsiblity in the child?
by all means, a mutually agreeable decision should be made between a woman and a man involved. that is an individual scenario and not about blanket policymaking.

Regarding the couple in question, in an ideal world, they should not have engaged in procreating activity when the woman was in heat; instead, they should have played scrabble.

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That's an interesting angle BadBenz
As liberal as you may think I am, I am actually opposed to abortion for the sake of convenience or financial reasons. I can see it in case of rape but even then I have my doubts if the kid can be raised to be normal and without making him pay for a crime he did not commit.
It's heartening to hear that this isn't necessarily a matter of party politics, but of simple decency and morality - one that transcends the boundaries of 'conservative' or 'liberal'. There's lots of issues like this, where the subject is so repugnant, that it's easy to agree. Even the most liberal Americans won't legalize rape...even the most conservative Americans won't endorse genocide.

The population as a whole may not know it yet, but I think abortion will soon become one of these galvanizing issues for Americans. Roe v. Wade will ultimately be seen as insufficiently specific, and won't survive a competent legal and scientific challenge. Every passing day provides more reasons that the term "viability" is simultaneously the ultimate test which must be failed to justify an abortion, and the criteria which is most difficult to accurately define.

The world would have been better off if feminists found a way to make a stand for their rights that didn't lead to untold acts of brutality and murder - simply because childbirth was inconvenient, and simply because they could do so without consequence.

Seems to me that people have a hard time finding women who've had abortions, to talk to one, two, or five years on. I bet it's not all sunshine and lollypops for the women who made this choice - difficult or otherwise - and I bet each wouldn't begrudge an obligation of doctors to present ALL the facts (medical and psychological) regarding the consequences of having an abortion.
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Ok, but on a very cynical note(not my view as Im against abortion ), if the women don't want men to discuss this issue, then how about this:

If the couple is not married and the woman gets the choice(to keep or abort w/o any input from the man), she can also foot the whole bill if the man doesn't want any responsiblity in the child?
Well I really think the man should have thought of that before be engaged in unprotected sex with that woman, he owes that child the responsibilty as the father regardless of his relationship with the mother.
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Wow, this thread got magically truncated--that's pretty cool. Can KamiL's inane-narcissistic threads be magically truncated, too?
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It's heartening to hear that this isn't necessarily a matter of party politics, but of simple decency and morality - one that transcends the boundaries of 'conservative' or 'liberal'. There's lots of issues like this, where the subject is so repugnant, that it's easy to agree. Even the most liberal Americans won't legalize rape...even the most conservative Americans won't endorse genocide.

The population as a whole may not know it yet, but I think abortion will soon become one of these galvanizing issues for Americans. Roe v. Wade will ultimately be seen as insufficiently specific, and won't survive a competent legal and scientific challenge. Every passing day provides more reasons that the term "viability" is simultaneously the ultimate test which must be failed to justify an abortion, and the criteria which is most difficult to accurately define.

The world would have been better off if feminists found a way to make a stand for their rights that didn't lead to untold acts of brutality and murder - simply because childbirth was inconvenient, and simply because they could do so without consequence.

Seems to me that people have a hard time finding women who've had abortions, to talk to one, two, or five years on. I bet it's not all sunshine and lollypops for the women who made this choice - difficult or otherwise - and I bet each wouldn't begrudge an obligation of doctors to present ALL the facts (medical and psychological) regarding the consequences of having an abortion.
Tough issue for me . . . on the one hand, I view Roe v Wade as one of the worst cases of constitutional interpretation/judicial meddling there ever was. On the other, even if one were to overturn it, it would not lead to the immediate elimination of abortions that people hope for/fear. All that overturning it would do would be to flip the issue to the states, and, while there are states that would ban, there are states that would not. If you add to that all the passion and money spent on the politics of this one issue, it is sad.
The manager in me believes (without really having data to back it up) that if we worked to eliminate abortion without necessarily banning it, examine the sequence of events that lead to the desire for an abortion (ie - with all the birth control technology available, how'd it happen) and address it, invest all that money given to politicians on one side of the issue or the other (who would hate to see it solved and that supply cut off), the two sides could find common ground and make some real progress.


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Well I really think the man should have thought of that before be engaged in unprotected sex with that woman, he owes that child the responsibilty as the father regardless of his relationship with the mother.
While I dont disagree, I was trying to put another angle on the argument, let me try again:
The two tangoed and had unprotected sex, but if the man wants the child and the woman doesn't, what right has he? Why does she get sole choice as to be the bearer of responsibility or lack thereof? If the woman doesn't want it, no biggie, but if the man doesn't, he will have no choice but to acceptment the responsibility both fiscally and otherwise. So she has her womans rights, what are the mans rights?

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That's an interesting angle BadBenz
As liberal as you may think I am, I am actually opposed to abortion for the sake of convenience or financial reasons.
I know your an alright guy!! Im sure most of here would get along quite well if we met each other(of course there are exceptions to that! ).

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While I dont disagree, I was trying to put another angle on the argument, let me try again:
The two tangoed and had unprotected sex, but if the man wants the child and the woman doesn't, what right has he? Why does she get sole choice as to be the bearer of responsibility or lack thereof? If the woman doesn't want it, no biggie, but if the man doesn't, he will have no choice but to acceptment the responsibility both fiscally and otherwise. So she has her womans rights, what are the mans rights?
Exactly it should be based on both the parents wishes.
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