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Huge rally for Turkish secularism: BBC

Hundreds of thousands of people have rallied in Istanbul in support of secularism in Turkey, amid a row over a vote for the country's next president. The protesters are concerned that the ruling party's candidate for the post remains loyal to his Islamic roots.

The candidate, Abdullah Gul, earlier said he would not quit despite growing criticism from opponents and the army.

Mr Gul failed to win election in a first round parliamentary vote which opponents say was unconstitutional.

Opposition MPs boycotted the vote. They are also challenging its validity in the Constitutional Court.

An army statement on Friday accused the government of tolerating radical Islam and vowed to defend secularism.

Business leaders have also issued a statement calling on the court to annul the vote, paving the way for early elections.

The influential TUSIAD association said a vote was necessary "to preserve the inseparable principles of democracy and secularism".

Mr Gul has steered Turkey's European Union accession talks as foreign minister and is seen as less confrontational than Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the leader of his Islamist-rooted Justice and Development (AK) party.

"The president must be loyal to secular principles. If I am elected, I will act accordingly," he said after his nomination for the presidency.

But some analysts say he is closer to his religious roots, and his wife would be the first First Lady to wear a headscarf, a deeply divisive statement in Turkey.

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The BBC's Sarah Rainsford says secularists are concerned that if he is elected, the AK party will control the presidency, the government and parliament.

We want neither Sharia, nor a coup, but a fully democratic Turkey

Sunday's "Republican Meeting", planned by dozens of non-governmental organisations, took place in Caglayan Square in Istanbul.

"Turkey is secular and will remain secular," shouted demonstrators from all over the country as they waved flags and pictures of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the founder of the Turkish Republic.

"We want neither Sharia, nor a coup, but a fully democratic Turkey," they added.

Many sang nationalist songs and called for the government's resignation.

Our correspondent describes the rally as an enormous show of force. More than 300,000 people attended a similar event two weeks ago.

On Saturday, AK spokesman Cemil Cicek responded to Friday's unusually forthright army statement, saying any intervention was inconceivable in a democratic state.

The military, which led coups in the past, said it was concerned by the party's choice of presidential candidate.

History of coups

Our correspondent in Istanbul says the army statement late on Friday night caused a real stir in Turkey.

Many also believe that it is also a message to the judges in the constitutional court to declare the vote invalid and dissolve parliament, she adds.

The army has carried out three coups in the last 50 years - in 1960, 1971 and 1980 - and in 1997 it intervened to force Turkey's first Islamist Prime Minister, Necmettin Erbakan, from power.

The AK is an offshoot of Mr Erbakan's Welfare Party, which was banned in 1998.

The secularist Republican People's Party (CHP), which boycotted Friday's vote, said it would challenge the election in court because a quorum of MPs had not been obtained - a charge the AK denies.

A second round of voting is due on Wednesday and the court has said it will try to rule on the appeal before the vote.
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Imagine, and no American Marines or other combat soldiers there to gude the show. Great to see people take their government into their own hands. Jim
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Imagine, and no American Marines or other combat soldiers there to gude the show. Great to see people take their government into their own hands. Jim
Oh, and WE HAVE military bases in Turkey by invitation, how's that possible?
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I wonder if the Kurds and Armenians living in Turkey are feeling real happy these days

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And Christians?
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Armenians are christians.
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Islam is a religion. Secularism means religion neutrality. How can you have the later packaged with prior???

Fuel economy!! whats that??
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Pakistan should be renamed "Christ", just to confuse everyone.

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Islam is a religion. Secularism means religion neutrality. How can you have the later packaged with prior???
That's because we want you muslins without your religion because you are a dangerous bunch and your religion wants to kill our babies Now go back and eat your dates under your palm tree theboss
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Armenians are christians.
Are all Christians in Turkey, Armenians?
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