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ah, but the intolerance is one and the same.
Only in that the word usage is the same.

However in implementation, Islamists behead women who seek advanced education and public life. Islamists kill journalists whose stories they do not like. Islamists fly airliners into buildings of institutions the do not like. Islamists murder playwrights whose stories they don't like. True, Christians have done that ... 450 years ago.

Nowadays, except for a few Christian lunatics, I haven't heard of hoards of maniacal Christians screaming for the murder of apostates, heretics, and atheists or for the severed head of Roger Maplethorpe, for example.
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Botnst, do you really think anyone here is defending any of that? Shouldn't you be on Al-Jeezera's forum? This is, after all, America, where we all hate the fuckers.
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Only in that the word usage is the same.

However in implementation, Islamists behead women who seek advanced education and public life. Islamists kill journalists whose stories they do not like. Islamists fly airliners into buildings of institutions the do not like. Islamists murder playwrights whose stories they don't like. True, Christians have done that ... 450 years ago.
Just curious, Bot, what kind of planes did they fly 450 years ago?

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Just curious, Bot, what kind of planes did they fly 450 years ago?
The Ababeel kind
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Only in that the word usage is the same.

However in implementation, Islamists behead women who seek advanced education and public life. Islamists kill journalists whose stories they do not like. Islamists fly airliners into buildings of institutions the do not like. Islamists murder playwrights whose stories they don't like. True, Christians have done that ... 450 years ago.

Nowadays, except for a few Christian lunatics, I haven't heard of hoards of maniacal Christians screaming for the murder of apostates, heretics, and atheists or for the severed head of Roger Maplethorpe, for example.
The Christians have taken a more subtle and less violent approach, but that does not make them any better than Islamic zealots. Just because the Spanish Inquisition took place 450 years ago as opposed to today still does not make Christians less maniacal - in fact, it took Vatican just as long to issue an official apology. Their hatefulness towards those who they deem outside of their beliefs manifest during a funeral of a fallen soldier, abortion clinic, subway cars, and here on internet (remember "God hates fags"?).

And let's not forget James Charles Kopp, Eric Rudolph, John William King, those responsible for Matthew Shepard's death to name a few, but let us not forget that the majority of Islam populace does not condone such violence either.

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1. The Christians have taken a more subtle and less violent approach, but that does not make them any better than Islamic zealots.

2. Just because the Spanish Inquisition took place 450 years ago as opposed to today still does not make Christians less maniacal - in fact, it took Vatican just as long to issue an official apology.

3. Their hatefulness towards those who they deem outside of their beliefs manifest during a funeral of a fallen soldier, abortion clinic, subway cars, and here on internet (remember "God hates fags"?).

4. And let's not forget James Charles Kopp, Eric Rudolph, John William King, those responsible for Matthew Shepard's death to name a few, but let us not forget that the majority of Islam populace does not condone such violence either.
1. Wait a second: Are you willing to stand by that? Modern Christians, as a sect, haven't murdered people for God as a matter of general policy in 450 years but you believe that they are no different from a sect that condones murder as a matter of religious imperative? That's as silly as President Carter's "sinning in his heart" bullshit is the same as fornicating in the park. If it were me, I'd take fornicating in the park any day. What about you? So some nutty Christian sect wanting to do murder in their hearts but not doing it is a hell of a lot (to coin a phrase) different from those Muslim sects that murder cartoonists. Am I wrong? If so, why?

2. Again, I would rather be in a room with a maniacal christian praying for my soul me for the greater glory of God than a maniacal Muslim decapitating me for the greater glory of God. Don't you see a difference, really?

3. The proportion of Christians who believe as those minor Christians sects, or who even sympathize with those sects, is very small compared to the total number of Christians. That is simply NOT the case with Islam. Must I prospect in the mountains of Internet data that have been published on this or will you agree to my assertion out of hand?

4. Those are definitely Christians of some sort. But are they common or are they infrequent? Again, the majority of the Christian sects are on record opposing that kind of behavior and condemning those kind of people. Ask the Episcopal Church, about as mainline Christian in the USA as you can get, what they think of homosexuality. In contrast, Islam as enforced through sharia recommends that kind of treatment towards the abomination of homosexuality (this, despite the prevalence of pederasty in many Muslim-dominated countries).

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Botnst, do you really think anyone here is defending any of that? Shouldn't you be on Al-Jeezera's forum? This is, after all, America, where we all hate the fuckers.
Al Jazeera can be quite informative Al Jazeera English - Front Page
Some of the cartoons are pretty interesting
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Botnst, do you really think anyone here is defending any of that? Shouldn't you be on Al-Jeezera's forum? This is, after all, America, where we all hate the fuckers.
I read Al Jazeera about once per week. Sometimes 3-4 times if something interesting is going on like when Hizbollah attacked Israel.
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Well, quit reading it and start posting over there. Your anti-Islamic agenda has little impact here, where you spend your time trying to invent the people who disagree with you as somehow being in favor or supportive of their aims. Perhaps if you abandoned your dishonest approach to the issue here and went after people whom you might even be telling the truth about, for a change, you wouldn't be so victimized by self-loathing and paranoia.
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Well, quit reading it and start posting over there. Your anti-Islamic agenda has little impact here, where you spend your time trying to invent the people who disagree with you as somehow being in favor or supportive of their aims. Perhaps if you abandoned your dishonest approach to the issue here and went after people whom you might even be telling the truth about, for a change, you wouldn't be so victimized by self-loathing and paranoia.
You bet I'm an anti-Islamist, and proud of it. Do you believe that calling me anti-Islamist should be an insult?

The syntactical convolutions you go through in the message I quoted above are a beautiful thing to behold. It amuses me greatly that you would accuse me of intellectual dishonesty.

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