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Ok Bruce, so you agree with the war and do not agree with those that protest it. But blaming it on the media is far too myopic. Basically at this point you are saying you know what is good for America and the mass media here and in the rest of the world does not. That is pretty arrogant and smacks of a rampant conspiracy theorist. You are smarter than that, as I remember my days on the SLK forum. Take the binders off and see the other side. You do not have to agree with it, but knowledge is the ultimate power. No one here or anywhere has a monopoly on what is right. What is right changes too fast with time and distance and perception.
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I think you are finally seeing the light Shane. Of the three things you have listed, perception is the one that concerns me the most. Are we hearing and seeing what is happening over there, or just some journalists perception. The media has always been biased, but it appears to me that it is getting far worse then it has been.

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I think you are finally seeing the light Shane. Of the three things you have listed, perception is the one that concerns me the most. Are we hearing and seeing what is happening over there, or just some journalists perception. The media has always been biased, but it appears to me that it is getting far worse then it has been.
What's your thought on the media reporting about the fleecing of our government/the people by US contractors in Iraq? I know it's bad news, should it be supressed and some "good" news about soldiers adopting a puppy in the midst of Iraq's mayhem should take precedent?
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Here is some good news, cheer up Bruce!
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You remind me of a girlfriend from years ago. She was pretty an all but whenevr I mentioned that whatever she was wearing was making her look like a slut (which I liked) she goes on and on about how she is not pretty and attarctive, you know what I mean.
Sorry to intervene in this highbrow discussion but if she was as attractive as you say, why was she dating you?
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Sorry to intervene in this highbrow discussion but if she was as attractive as you say, why was she dating you?
Cause I am a bad boy, you know the kind your mom warned you about
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Cause I am a bad boy, you know the kind your mom warned you about
LOL, Yeah right, we have all seen your pic, I thought bad boys were more about attitude rather than bad looks
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LOL, Yeah right, we have all seen your pic, I thought bad boys were more about attitude rather than bad looks
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I think you are finally seeing the light Shane. Of the three things you have listed, perception is the one that concerns me the most. Are we hearing and seeing what is happening over there, or just some journalists perception. The media has always been biased, but it appears to me that it is getting far worse then it has been.
If the only two views that we received were 1) US media [let's for argument say it has an American Liberal bias] and 2) Pentagon/WH.

You could make the argument that the media [liberals from hell] were just after Bush and would do anything to embarrass him and make the war look bad. Another perspective would be that the Pentagon/WH [planners from hell] are trying to sell their position and their perceptions and will only report what is conducive to that endgame to the American public.

What do we have as historical information to back up those two posits.

First the press. During Viet Nam the press was all over every error that the military made. They filmed causalities on the field, causalities coming home, causalities in hospitals. They ran pictures of ARVIN police blowing a young man’s brains out on a city street. They ran pictures of children running naked away from battlefields. ---And that was when there was a DEMOCRAT in the White House and a Democratic Congress. That tends to take that argument that they are just trying to make Bush [the opposition] look bad. If you think of that as ancient history, think about Cable TV and Clintons Blow Job. That should put it in perspective.

Now, for the Pentagon. Have we reason to believe what they say in their press briefings? Their initial intelligence was cooked. They faked the Tillman incident to make it 1)look like he was a hero as they needed good PR and then 2) covered up reality and penalized his unit and family if the truth were brought out. . Now Jessica Lynch. They concocted a Hollywood story in an effort to boost their image. They threatened her if she talked. She talked. IED’s and Car Bombs. In the new way of counting violence in Iraq, those two items, and the causalities associated with them are not counted. Violence is down. Yeah.

Back to my original question. IF the only two views that we received were… But they are not. We get news from all over the world. Some from Conservative sources and some from Liberal sources and some from [I know this is a surprise ] unbiased sources. And so far the story is clear. The story is the same. EVERY news source that have reporters in Iraq report the same thing. The ONLY view that is different than all of those other reports is the official Pentagon report [and of course lap dog Fox]. The only people that write or broadcast that the war is going anything better than “lost” is the group that back Bush no matter what.

That should answer your question, or at least get you questioning your preconceived answer.

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