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What if it's a bear you don't know?
Bears, by past behavior, have earned respect.

Buzzards and goldfish have not. They have earned interest and kind thoughts, perhaps. There is undoubtedly somebody who loves buzzards, Fine with me.

None of them are due courtesy, which is a distinctively human function.

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Respect this:

Consider one British parent, Fiona MacKeown, who in November 2007 went on a six-month vacation to Goa, India, with her boyfriend and eight of her nine children by five different fathers, none of whom ever contributed financially for long to the children’s upkeep. (The child left behind—her eldest, at 19—was a drug addict.) She received $50,000 in welfare benefits a year, and doubtless decided—quite rationally, under the circumstances—that the money would go further, and that life would thus be more agreeable, in Goa than in her native Devon.

Reaching Goa, MacKeown soon decided to travel with seven of her children to Kerala, leaving behind one of them, 15-year-old Scarlett Keeling, to live with a tour guide ten years her elder, whom the mother had known for only a short time. Scarlett reportedly claimed to have had sex with this man only because she needed a roof over her head. According to a witness, she was constantly on drugs; and one night, she went to a bar where she drank a lot and took several different illicit drugs, including LSD, cocaine, and pot. She was seen leaving the bar late, almost certainly intoxicated.

The next morning, her body turned up on a beach. At first, the local police maintained that she had drowned while high, but further examination proved that someone had raped and then forcibly drowned her. So far, three people have been arrested in the investigation, which is continuing.

About a month later, Scarlett’s mother, interviewed by the liberal Sunday newspaper the Observer, expressed surprise at the level of public vituperation aimed at her and her lifestyle in the aftermath of the murder. She agreed that she and her children lived on welfare, but “not by conscious choice,” and she couldn’t see anything wrong with her actions in India apart from a certain naivety in trusting the man in whose care she had left her daughter. Scarlett was always an independent girl, and if she, the mother, could turn the clock back, she would behave exactly the same way again.

Here: Childhood’s End by Theodore Dalrymple, City Journal Summer 2008

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Bears, by past behavior, have earned respect.

Buzzards and goldfish have not. They have earned interest and kind thoughts, perhaps. There is undoubtedly somebody who loves buzzards, Fine with me.

None of them are due courtesy, which is a distinctively human function.
I agree, they have. OTOH, bears are individuals, displaying a wonderful and fascinating diversity of behavioral characteristics, based on sex, age, mood, appetite, experience, personality, etc. Until you know what you're dealing with, best to show as much respect and as little fear as possible. The same is true of humans we might encounter "in the wild", and there is my argument, nicely wrapped and presented as a simple analogy.

Of course, the other side of that coin is the bear's attitude toward you, which might well be just as shaped by past experience as yours. Let's hope that experience taught him some respect as well.

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^ Perhaps you can elaborate on the difference. Here is a real live dictionary definition:

cour·te·sy
1. excellence of manners or social conduct; polite behavior.
2. a courteous, respectful, or considerate act or expression.

Note the use of the word "respectful". IMO, courtesy is a form of respect, more times than not.
Note the first entry which refers to a purely trained response to other human beings in a social situation. Not sure where your confusion lies but surely you can understand it is possible to be courteous yet disrespectful at the same time.
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Note the first entry which refers to a purely trained response to other human beings in a social situation. Not sure where your confusion lies but surely you can understand it is possible to be courteous yet disrespectful at the same time.
Yes it is, which is why I added "more times than not". Courtesy can be genuine or pretentious. There is no respect in pretentiousness.

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Yes it is, which is why I added "more times than not". Courtesy can be genuine or pretentious. There is no respect in pretentiousness.
It isn't courtesy if it is pretentious. That's what we call, "hypocritical".

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I was thinking more along the lines of "catty", as per example below.

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I was thinking more along the lines of "catty", as per example below.
Ooo. I could give you SUCH a pinch when you do that.

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