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You've just successfully proven my point, that there is a double standard. And it's wrong.

In fact, in this day and age it's harder to be a straight, white, male, than any other sexual orientation, race, or gender combination. Need proof? Just look at all of the origanizations out there that aim to give priveleges to homosexuals, blacks, Asians, women, etc

If a group of straight white males start an organization on a college campus in order to socialize with other people of their kind, it is met with fierce opposition and claims that they are "homphobic", "bigoted", and "racist". However a plethora of homosexual, black, Asian, and women's rights groups prosper and their existence is highly celebrated.

Yup, that's a double standard.
So join the fucking Nazi Party, start one on campus, who is stopping you? I am on college campuses all the time and am assaulted with Larouches, Moonies and far right kooks on campus as much as anything on the left. All you have to have is the balls to do it, so do it. Let me know what luck you have getting your own TV show.
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Oh really? I challenge you to start such an organization on a college campus. Apparently you have no idea, and you're definitely not a straight white male so you have no experience in this arena.

Your ignorance baffles me.
You are proving to be easily baffled. Jim
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Hipocrites, every damn one. Now we have Sharpton/Jackson as the ones supposedley standing up for morality and can have MBC and CBS at their mercy?. As a nation, we have truly gone done the shitter. Lets also think about the term "nappy haired ho", does that sound like something a man Imu's age came up with, or, did he hear it somewhere. Hmmm, where could he have picked that line up?. I'm betting a rap song.
I agree, those two are grotesque hypocrites. But as long as Fox News and CNN both appoint them as the official spokesman for black society, they are the public face of the outcry. But this is the entire black community unhappy with Imus, not just these two clowns. That's a lot of customers. And "nappy head" is an old Southern Jim Crow racial insult a hundred years old or more. While one can claim "ho" is part of rap venicular, "nappy head" is something I've never heard coming from rap. Surprisingly, if Imus had called them "bitches" he probably would have gotten a pass, but "nappy headed hos" was about as Jim Crow as you can get. It was truly racist. It classified all them as black, and then as prostitutes, with out regard to the actual individual, about as true racism as I've seen on the public airwaves since George Wallace's speeches back in the sixties.
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Oh really? I challenge you to start such an organization on a college campus. Apparently you have no idea, and you're definitely not a straight white male so you have no experience in this arena.

Your ignorance baffles me.
Well, I'm a straight white male, tell me, what injustice against the white race will your organization fight?
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You of all people are not a "straight" whit guy. You are a liberal DEM.
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Oh really? I challenge you to start such an organization on a college campus. Apparently you have no idea, and you're definitely not a straight white male so you have no experience in this arena.

Your ignorance baffles me.
alpha, I was not attacking you personally. I was simply pointing out a view that I felt you had overlooked.

No doubt any such organization that I would attempt to create on a college campus would be a subject of ridicule. My years and general physical decline would put off anyone who might want to join, making any such effort laughable.

As to whether or not I have any idea, I have long been the beneficiary of the society I have already named as I am a card carrying member in good standing. Thoughout my life, I have received one of the society's greatest perks...

...the benefit of the doubt.

I am not tall, particularly stand-outish and I am fairly certain that I am not considered gay but I don't know for sure. No guys have ever come on to me but there could be MANY reasons for that! The thing is, in group situations of mixed race or gender, people have always assumed that I was the leader/boss/spokesperson/whathaveyou, regardless of my status in that group at the time. I have seen black men with whom I was in company, harrassed, while I was given deferential treatment. There's plenty more, I'm sure, if I care to think back far enough but this has already gotten longer than I expected.

Yes, alpha, I am ignorant but please don't be baffled. I am ignorant of what it is like to be viewed as a threat to one's personal safety as I walk down a street or ride in an elevator. I am ignorant of how it feels to be turned down for a loan because of the color of my skin. I am ignorant of what it is like to not get hired because I might get pregnant and be unable to work.

These things I have witnessed in my life and while I am grateful for being in the club, I realize the unfairness of it to those who aren't. Whatever small edge a person who is not a member of my club can gain by creating one of their own is an advantage I will cede to them as I know that ultimately, I'll be OK.

The odds are stacked in my favor.

Dig's Edit: I was not sure how to refer to you personally as you don't offer any other version of your screen name so I went with 'alpha' as the most logical. Please correct me if I am mistaken.

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Oh really? I challenge you to start such an organization on a college campus. Apparently you have no idea, and you're definitely not a straight white male so you have no experience in this arena.

Your ignorance baffles me.
Um, have you ever heard of the Fraternity system?

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Well as a 50+ straight white male, I think I have had it pretty good. I have been able to reap many of the rewards that this society has to offer. I have never once had to think about being turned down for anything because of my race, ethnic background or sex. I have never had a glass ceiling to look up at.

I have, on the other hand grown up at a time where there were still three restrooms at many gas stations: Men, Women and Colored. I was a Cadet at the US Air Force Academy during the first year women were allowed into the Academy [1976]. I went to public schools before integration and remember that, at nearly every instance the public school for the black kids was not nearly as nice as the ones for the white kids.

I have watched peers who were gay be fired because a co-worker was “uncomfortable” with the gay person in the office. And I still see many examples, when I am in a corporate environment some men are only described as “the gay guy” with snide comments or “the black guy” or where women are described by the size of their tits. Little has changed.

So if folks have organizations where they can figure out how to work out issues of discrimination or determine what to do about a specific problem, GREAT. Is it a Double Standard? Not in this lifetime.
Well said.
I too agree that there needs to be quite a bit more catching up to do before we can start talking about double-standards. I think however there has been great strides, at least in Chicago. I see far more blacks who have integrated into the corporate realm yet still hold on to their culture than ever before. No matter how people perceive Jackson and Sharpton, they are fighting for what they feel is right and the scales may just have to tip the other way for a little while longer. Whites who object to this are just insecure about their own personal abilities.

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I've always seen the problem of race in America as a problem of education. The rampant prejudice of the old days and the vestige of slave culture caused them to be sent to substandard schools while at the same time coming from families that had little value or understanding of why education is important. As this changes, they will change. Crime will go down, social integration will increase, and we will eventually live in peace together as a single people. Such is the story of America, for all ethnic groups.
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