Originally Posted by dorfman24
I completely reject your assertion that telling people about one group's (the palestinians') policy of hatred is equal to the hatred itself. So, Israel should ignore it and work for peace in a vacuum?
I never said Israel has no obligation to "extend themselves" to reach for peace, nor did I give Israel your famous "white hat" treatment. I specifically made a reference to Israel's "sins" in my previous post to make clear to you that, while I consider Israel to be a better partner for peace than the Palestinians, I do not consider them "white hat cowboys." In your portrayal of gray morality that should certainly be an acceptable position to hold - that two imperfect players can be compared next to one another and one found more moral than they other, albeit flawed.
And I'm certainly not arguing that Israel can "misbehave at will" - you are taking gross liberties with my argument. My point is that if your neighbor continuously attacks your house and says he will not stop until you leave the neighborhood, sitting down at his kitchen table to chat might not be terribly effective. That certainly does not mean you respond in kind, but it holds bleak prospects for peace.
You may be correct that I have taken liberties with your words. Sometimes it seems the parts you leave out that I later fill in are necessary to understand the context of your words. For example, you said:
"but I am putting the responsibility on the Palestinians to stop teaching hatred. You cannot negotiate a just peace when one side refuses to admit that you have a right to anything.
Which says you are looking for the Palestinians to be the ones to take the first step. Your next sentence makes it clear you are sorting in black and white categories. Together they say the Palestinians are the problem, and in the context of the whole post, until they change their ways, Israel is, at most, less guilty than Israel's neighbors for the misery in the Middle East. Which leaves Israel some room to misbehave before you would consider them equally responsible for the relationship, even though you didn't say it.
Seems to me the first thing Israel needs to negotiate with its neighbors is the recognition of its right to exist. Without that it seems we are not going to get much progress.
None of the negotiators involved in this conflict are stupid. The fact that no agreements have been reached is a result of purposeful manipulation by both sides to gain an advantage for some as yet, unrealized real negotiation. What are they really looking for? Who or what is the prize? We need to be a little more wily in our role, and discover the real game being played. Jim