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I just looked-up square dance calls because of that term that you used, "dosey do". It means "2 by 2" so I thought the correct spelling would be deux et deux. But square dancers spell it all sorts of ways including Spanish, "dos y dos". Not a single French spelling that I could find. But since square dancing started in the Appalachians (right?) why would they be speaking Spanish? The Appalachians were largely settled by Scots and Scotch-Irish and lots of Scots spoke French -- history of Scotland & France is quite entangled for many generations. But Spain? I dunno.

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I just looked-up square dance calls because of that term that you used, "dosey do". It means "2 by 2" so I thought the correct spelling would be deux et deux. But square dancers spell it all sorts of ways including Spanish, "dos y dos". Not a single French spelling that I could find. But since square dancing started in the Appalachians (right?) why would they be speaking Spanish? The Appalachians were largely settled by Scots and Scotch-Irish and lots of Scots spoke French -- history of Scotland & France is quite entangled for many generations. But Spain? I dunno.

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What, exactly, is your point? And how does this relate to global cooling?
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What, exactly, is your point? And how does this relate to global cooling?
It applies to square dancing. You know, like it says in the note. Confusing, isn't it?

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It applies to square dancing. You know, like it says in the note. Confusing, isn't it?

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I think is was the train-of-thought that was confusing me...
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The science behind the media and academic descriptions of Global Climate Change is "hard", because it's more faith than fact.
Who says it is more faith than fact? And why are you trying to tie media descriptions to scientific research? That is called obfuscation.

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My problem is with those who are hell bent on tying depictions of our impending peril, and the peril of myriad cutesy northern animals, to our use of fuel-efficient vehicles and use of fluorescent lighting.
But they are tied together. Sorry you don't agree. But that doesn't mean it isn't true.

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I think if you can demonstrate that you save money owning a certain car, or using a certain light bulb, etc., you accomplish the same thing without all of the uppity elitist/alarmist...
Some people respond to reason, some to financial incentives, others require graphic object lessons. Apparently with GCC it requires a bit of all three as some people just can't get their arms around the science that they don't understand but feel compelled to argue against.

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Who says it is more faith than fact? And why are you trying to tie media descriptions to scientific research? That is called obfuscation.
Until it can withstand the scrutiny of a reasonable doubt, acceptance of it as a starting point by which a given logical end is extrapolated, is an act of faith. ALL WE KNOW of the science is what is poured down our throats by the media and figureheads like Al Gore; their cause would be advanced greatly if they would shut the fuck up. Talk about obfuscation...

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But they are tied together. Sorry you don't agree. But that doesn't mean it isn't true.
That is an opinion which might (accidentally) happen to appear true on occasion; see my point above about reasonable doubt.

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Some people respond to reason, some to financial incentives, others require graphic object lessons. Apparently with GCC it requires a bit of all three as some people just can't get their arms around the science that they don't understand but feel compelled to argue against.
I certainly cannot argue with this, nor do I recall ever having argued against better fuel economy, more efficient use of energy, etc. I continue to view international programs that appear to staple dollar bills to trees as a solution to "GCC" as a gigantic mental-masturbatory exercise; I continue to view Al Gore and his merry media men as enemies of truth and lucidity.
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Parts of California see coldest temps since 1893...

A record cold snap in Mendocino County over the weekend caused little damage to wine grapes but chilled the hearts of farmers who already have suffered huge losses this year.

"It's just one more thing on top of one more thing. You kind of hold your breath," said Potter Valley wine grape grower Bill Pauli.

Temperatures dropped to 31 degrees in the Ukiah Valley on Saturday night and early Sunday morning, the coldest Oct. 12 morning since record keeping began in Ukiah in 1893, said Troy Nicolini, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service in Eureka. The previous record was 34 degrees in 1916.

Temperatures were milder in Sonoma County, and there were no reports of frost-related problems, county officials said.

Farmers in Redwood Valley and other cooler regions in Mendocino County reported temperatures as low as 27 degrees.

An estimated 30 percent to 50 percent of that county's wine grape crop had yet to be harvested when the frost hit, killing the tops of unprotected vines and effectively freezing the ripening process.

Frost 'one more thing' for grape growers | PressDemocrat.com | The Press Democrat | Santa Rosa, CA

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Cold temps in Oregon break 118-year-old record...

Cold temperatures set several new record lows this weekend, including a low of 22 Saturday in downtown Pendleton that broke a 118 year-old record of 24.

Record lows started falling Thursday with a new low of 20 for Meacham, four degrees cooler than the previous record from 2006, according to information from the Web site for the National Weather Service Forecast Office in Pendleton.

Heppner and Long Creek then set new low temperatures Friday. Heppner hit 29, the coldest that date has seen since 1960 when it was 30; and Long Creek was 21, besting the 1987 record by four degrees.

Saturday set multiple new lows, including the record 22 in downtown Pendleton. John Day dropped to 21, breaking the 1990 record of 23; Meacham's 15 broke the previous low of 20 from 2002; and Mitchell set a record with 21, five degrees cooler than the 2002 record.

Additionally, the top of Airport Hill in Pendleton set a new low of 25; the previous record was 33. And the agricultural experimental station north of Pendleton recorded a low of 18, five degrees cooler than the previous record from 1990.

The cold continued to set records Sunday. Meacham, for the third time in four days, set a record with a low of 15, one degree cooler than the 2002 record. Long Creek and Mitchell again set new records as well Long Creek's low of 21 broke with 1969 record of 25, and Mitchell's 21 broke the 1949 record of 24.

The top of Airport Hill in Pendleton also set another record with 24; the previous record was 28 from 2002. And downtown Pendleton's 21 chilled past the previous record of 25 from 1931.

Also Sunday, two-miles north of Hermiston cooled to 18, breaking the 1953 record of 20.

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Alaska glaciers grew this year, thanks to colder weather...

Two hundred years of glacial shrinkage in Alaska, and then came the winter and summer of 2007-2008.

Unusually large amounts of winter snow were followed by unusually chill temperatures in June, July and August.

"In mid-June, I was surprised to see snow still at sea level in Prince William Sound," said U.S. Geological Survey glaciologist Bruce Molnia. "On the Juneau Icefield, there was still 20 feet of new snow on the surface of the Taku Glacier in late July. At Bering Glacier, a landslide I am studying, located at about 1,500 feet elevation, did not become snow free until early August.

"In general, the weather this summer was the worst I have seen in at least 20 years."

Never before in the history of a research project dating back to 1946 had the Juneau Icefield witnessed the kind of snow buildup that came this year. It was similar on a lot of other glaciers too.

"It's been a long time on most glaciers where they've actually had positive mass balance," Molnia said.

That's the way a scientist says the glaciers got thicker in the middle. Read the complete story at adn.com

McClatchy Washington Bureau | 10/14/2008 | Alaska glaciers grew this year, thanks to colder weather

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Don't those three climate changes make you wonder?

No wait. They are single season events, not trends. Nevermind.

It's why they call it Global Climate Change.

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