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You don't know what to say because you refuse to acknowledge you are looking from the outside in.

A government, any government, has the right to ensure its rules of law survive. Regardless of methods imposed. If they serve the purpose, then who are we to judge?

If you had a candid conversation with a Russian during the Cold War years, they would have told you our Capitalistic society was the most evil form of government men ever imposed. Have you ever that luxury talking to an old Russian before. I can say I have and their view point remains the same. Do you know how many Russians of generation past still wish the old regime remains? They miss the old "iron rice bowl".

See my point?
Sorry, no. Any government that intentionaly starves its people, as Stalin did, is a monsterous regime worthy of contempt and disgust. But, that's just my opinion.
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The original point of this was the elected Iraqi government which you purported to not know existed. Do you acknowledge that there is now an elected Iraqi government?
Elected? Who exactly are/were those in the Iraqi cabinet?

Democracy Now! | Iraq's New President Jalal Talabani: Ally of CIA, Iranian Intelligence and Saddam Hussein

Here is the time line for all the Iraqi government for your reading pleasure, as you pointed out there was no Iraqi government existed.

President of Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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I am asking you to list the UN resolution "violations" you claim, and especially, the "cease fire" violations you claim. Where are they?
If you read this:CNN.com - Text of U.N. resolution on Iraq - Nov. 8, 2002

Two things become apparent. One, the U.N. stipulates that the responsibility is on Iraq - not the U.N., Colin Powell, the U.S., Britain or anyone else - to comply with all U.N. resolutions and with the ceasefire that Iraq signed in 1991. The U.N. also stipulates that failure to comply with the resolutions (which Hans Blix then stipulated Iraq had done, that is failed) would breach the ceasefire. Breaching a ceasefire is a cause for war.

Now, you can disagree with Bush's decision to invade Iraq, which no doubt you do. Many people do. But that fact that Iraq was not complying with U.N. resolutions and was violating the terms of the ceasefire is really not debateable.
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Elected? Who exactly are/were those in the Iraqi cabinet?

Democracy Now! | Iraq's New President Jalal Talabani: Ally of CIA, Iranian Intelligence and Saddam Hussein

Here is the time line for all the Iraqi government for your reading pleasure, as you pointed out there was no Iraqi government existed.

President of Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A democratic, freely elected government is not predicated on you liking the person elected or liking their ties to the CIA or Iranian intelligence. It is predicated on free and fair elections.

From Wikipedia: "After the elections in December 2005, where 76,4% of registered voters participated, the Iraqi government is considered by many international governments to be a legitimate government. According to the U.S. administration, the judiciary in Iraq operates under the primacy of rule of law, so war criminals from the totalitarian regime of Saddam Hussein will get a fair and open trial, in which their rights will be subjected to due process and be protected by the scrutiny of a free press, the requirements of modern court proceedings."

In the United States, we're lucky to get 55% turnout in a presidential election. I think it's pretty fair to say that an election in which 76% of the eligible people participate is legitimate.

And you are ignoring the passage of time. The government of Iraq you linked is a snapshot that ignores 2005, 2006 and 2007.
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Sorry, no. Any government that intentionaly starves its people, as Stalin did, is a monsterous regime worthy of contempt and disgust. But, that's just my opinion.
You said it!!

Your opinion don't count when the central government primarily concern is to prevent social unrest, and external threats. Any method is game enough.

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And you are ignoring the passage of time. The government of Iraq you linked is a snapshot that ignores 2005, 2006 and 2007.
Wrong answer.

You ignore the fact there is a puppet government already installed by Uncle Sam.

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If you read this:CNN.com - Text of U.N. resolution on Iraq - Nov. 8, 2002

Two things become apparent. One, the U.N. stipulates that the responsibility is on Iraq - not the U.N., Colin Powell, the U.S., Britain or anyone else - to comply with all U.N. resolutions and with the ceasefire that Iraq signed in 1991. The U.N. also stipulates that failure to comply with the resolutions (which Hans Blix then stipulated Iraq had done, that is failed) would breach the ceasefire. Breaching a ceasefire is a cause for war.

Now, you can disagree with Bush's decision to invade Iraq, which no doubt you do. Many people do. But that fact that Iraq was not complying with U.N. resolutions and was violating the terms of the ceasefire is really not debateable.
Again, your argument is two years too late. We have beat this horse to death and resurrected. Do a search on this forum before you waste any more bandwidth.

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You said it!!

Your opinion don't count when the central government primarily concern is to prevent social unrest, and external threats. Any method is game enough.
Anyone else agree that intentional starvation of millions of human souls is morally acceptable in the name of law and order?
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Wrong answer.

You ignore the fact there is a puppet government already installed by Uncle Sam.
Again with the wrong answer stuff. Please. You can't prove me wrong, so you attack the (legitimately elected) government as a puppet of the U.S. By that standard, so are the governments of the U.K., Israel, Afghanistan, Japan and Canada.
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Again, your argument is two years too late. We have beat this horse to death and resurrected. Do a search on this forum before you waste any more bandwidth.

Over and out.
You seemed perfectly willing to beat this horse a few minutes ago...
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