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Get real, Bruce, the idea that we need to rely on our military "telling us what they are doing is ok" in matters of justice is inherently fascist. The military in America operates within the parameters of the US Constitution and whatever the civilian government tells them, not the other way around. These prisoners deserve the simple human right of habeus corpus, the right to have the charges against them heard by an impartial judge who then decides if they are being lawfully held, or they need to be classified as Prisoners of War and accorded the rights of the Geneva Convention. The rule of law vs the rule of men. Democracy vs fascism. Get a fucking clue, man.
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The Surrender Party spokesman wishes to confer constitutional rights on alien combatants. Has that ever happened before in any war in which the USA has engaged?

Why worry about any enemy when we have friends like this to protect us?

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Get real, Bruce, the idea that we need to rely on our military "telling us what they are doing is ok" in matters of justice is inherently fascist. The military in America operates within the parameters of the US Constitution and whatever the civilian government tells them, not the other way around. These prisoners deserve the simple human right of habeus corpus, the right to have the charges against them heard by an impartial judge who then decides if they are being lawfully held, or they need to be classified as Prisoners of War and accorded the rights of the Geneva Convention. The rule of law vs the rule of men. Democracy vs fascism. Get a fucking clue, man.
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If questioning of a terrorist occurs on foreign soil under the control of native officials and there is an American present, is the Americamn responsible for the methods of questioning? What if he's outside the door? What if he's across the street? What if there's a 2-day delay in getting the info?

Or is it analogous to the definition of rape used by the military, "any penetration, however slight ..."?

And what is torture? Can you define it or is it like porno, you know it when you see it?

Has the Surrender Party offered us any guidelines of any sort?

Due process to enemy combatants? Did we do that for germans? Do the enemy combatants offer those facilities to captured Americans?

Inquiring minds want to know.

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The Surrender Party spokesman wishes to confer constitutional rights on alien combatants. Has that ever happened before in any war in which the USA has engaged?

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^^^Coulterism. Unsupportable partisan claim: confering of constitutional rights on enemy combatants. No one is advocating giving enemy combatants rights under the Constitution. What is being advocated is that they be classified as either criminals or POWs, and be accorded the customs of law and war based on that class.
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^^^Coulterism. Unsupportable partisan claim: confering of constitutional rights on enemy combatants. No one is advocating giving enemy combatants rights under the Constitution. What is being advocated is that they be classified as either criminals or POWs, and be accorded the customs of law and war based on that class.
Be careful what you ask for FoTL, these people fight without a uniform, by rights they can be considered to be spys and shot, no questions asked.
You say you are NOT advocating giving enemy combatants rights under the Constitution, and then you turn around and do just that by demanding that they be given trials.
Just what do you think they would gain by giving them something they don't give our captured combatants?

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^^^Coulterism. Unsupportable partisan claim: confering of constitutional rights on enemy combatants. No one is advocating giving enemy combatants rights under the Constitution. What is being advocated is that they be classified as either criminals or POWs, and be accorded the customs of law and war based on that class.
POW's are a special class of combatants, those who's authority are signatories of the convention OR claim that status AND follow the common practices of signatories. Such as wearing clearly identifiable emblems or flags, openly carrying their weapons, treating prisoners without contempt and not harshly, refraining from deliberate attacks on civilians, not encamping in or around civilian populations, not using the ruse of noncombatant status while in combatant status. The Iraqi Army was treated under those rules. The terrorists do not conform to ANY of those rules and so, the Geneva Conventions are applied at the discretion of the warring powers.

You might benefit from reading the Geneva Conventions if you want to argue about their use and abuse. Or you can continue on your current path which we all know so well.

Now concerning habeus corpus. Please enlighten us on exactly which wars that right has been afforded any enemy combatants of any sort.

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POW's are a special class of combatants, those who's authority are signatories of the convention OR claim that status AND follow the common practices of signatories. Such as wearing clearly identifiable emblems or flags, openly carrying their weapons, treating prisoners without contempt and not harshly, refraining from deliberate attacks on civilians, not encamping in or around civilian populations, not using the ruse of noncombatant status while in combatant status. The Iraqi Army was treated under those rules. The terrorists do not conform to ANY of those rules and so, the Geneva Conventions are applied at the discretion of the warring powers.

You might benefit from reading the Geneva Conventions if you want to argue about their use and abuse. Or you can continue on your current path which we all know so well.

Now concerning habeus corpus. Please enlighten us on exactly which wars that right has been afforded any enemy combatants of any sort.

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I find it interesting how FoTL and a few others here seem to have more concern about these low lives then about our own people.
You have to wonder if they do it just to be contrary or if they truly hate America as much as they seem to............

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Keep up with slanderous statements like that, and you won't get an invitation to the gala surrender party. Don't cross me, bud.
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