Originally Posted by mcbear
To your first retort, I never said a word about Islamists. When we torture, it opens the door ACROSS THE BOARD. Today it may be Islamists, tomorrow [or next generation] it might be N. Korea or China or some other country. Precedent cannot be set. PERIOD.
Regarding the Fourth point, WE are not Islamic Fundamentalists. We, as a country should be using OUR moral codes to uphold our actions.
If the International investigations have been correct, the US has condoned torture at Gitmo and through our use of third country techniques that the CIA runs.
Our Citizens, under color of Government, have acted contrary to our laws by denying due process to prisoners at a US facility at Gitmo and by breaking Federal laws which state that it is against the law to intentionally breach international treaty that has been signed by the United States.
What has happened to the “low fruit” that have been caught? They have been prosecuted. It will be time before we see if International Courts [correct venue] determine that the patterns of violations reach War Crimes. I hope they do not, I fear they will.
If questioning of a terrorist occurs on foreign soil under the control of native officials and there is an American present, is the Americamn responsible for the methods of questioning? What if he's outside the door? What if he's across the street? What if there's a 2-day delay in getting the info?
Or is it analogous to the definition of rape used by the military, "any penetration, however slight ..."?
And what is torture? Can you define it or is it like porno, you know it when you see it?
Has the Surrender Party offered us any guidelines of any sort?
Due process to enemy combatants? Did we do that for germans? Do the enemy combatants offer those facilities to captured Americans?
Inquiring minds want to know.