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post #11 of 55 (permalink) Old 03-18-2007, 09:18 AM
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Buy a history book, bozo. Gerald Ford withdrew from Vietnam. LBJ and Bush are the real pair. Both got us into wars that did not need to be fought, quagmires that ended in disaster, messes that subsequent administrations had to clean up.
My point, exactly, dill weed. LBJ escalated the war after screaming 'warmonger' at Goldwater on a daily basis. Gerald Ford hung the Freedom fighters out to dry by pulling troops, resulting in the deaths of tens of thousands of our so called allies and the fall of Saigon. Regrettably, this is your position as well. You must think the Iraqis are less human than you by proposing that we leave and let them kill each other off.

We cannot leave until some sort of stability is obtained there. If we leave now, we'll be handing the country over to the very people we're supposed to be fighting. That is what you want, I guess. It would give you some degree of satisfaction watching them kill each other by the thousands every day. Then you could watch it on CNN with a widescreen TV while eating your movie popcorn and drinking cheap beer.

One thing you seem to be consistent about is second guessing decisions that no one can do a damn thing about, but you offer no real or reasonable solutions to the problem we have gotten ourselves into. Instead of proposing we leave and letting them kill each other, why don't you come up with a more viable solution that will get us out of there quicker and not have to return again, later?

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... The rest of the world now sees us as barabric, lying occupiers. You people are stupid, just plain stupid.
They can't see me as barabric, I'm not even barabrian.

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That guy is a man!!!!!!!!! Thank you Lord.
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That guy is a man!!!!!!!!! Thank you Lord.
If you are going to compete with Jayhawk's comedy act, you have to get your timing down better. Really.

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Why should we care IF we torture badguys?

FIRST, it gives the badguys carte blanc to justify reciprocation
SECOND, it gives a world view that we are no better than terrorists
THIRD, we are supposed to be a Nation of LAW, and that is against the LAW.
FOURTH, it is MORALLY WRONG. Period.

Last week the Sec of State Rice publicly demanded that the Zimbabwe Government quit torturing the leaders of the Opposition Movement [which we support]. The Zimbabwean Ambassador commented that their treatment in no way came up to the level of Gitmo or Abu Grab treatment of prisoners. The entire weight of US Foreign Policy on that request to stop was fully thwarted by previous bad acts by our Military. That is why we should never torture anyone for any reason.

Torture is the WEAK position, it takes strength to have disipline.

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They are going to say they were tortured even tho they weren't and guys like you and surrender party will run with it....standard operating procedure from your good guys you defend.
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Those stacked naked bodies are hell, oh least we not forget the fake flushing of the Koran, that hurts like a sumbitch to one.

Al Qeada plays you guys like a fiddle and the defeatist lap it up like a thirsty dog on a hot summer day.

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My point, exactly, dill weed. LBJ escalated the war after screaming 'warmonger' at Goldwater on a daily basis. Gerald Ford hung the Freedom fighters out to dry by pulling troops, resulting in the deaths of tens of thousands of our so called allies and the fall of Saigon. Regrettably, this is your position as well. You must think the Iraqis are less human than you by proposing that we leave and let them kill each other off.

We cannot leave until some sort of stability is obtained there. If we leave now, we'll be handing the country over to the very people we're supposed to be fighting. That is what you want, I guess. It would give you some degree of satisfaction watching them kill each other by the thousands every day. Then you could watch it on CNN with a widescreen TV while eating your movie popcorn and drinking cheap beer.

One thing you seem to be consistent about is second guessing decisions that no one can do a damn thing about, but you offer no real or reasonable solutions to the problem we have gotten ourselves into. Instead of proposing we leave and letting them kill each other, why don't you come up with a more viable solution that will get us out of there quicker and not have to return again, later?
The "if we leave now we will be handing the country over blah blah....". Can you prove that is going to happen? What if I said our presence is the cause of their instability? And who knows what faction would win? The Shiites are the majority, and they were supposed to "greet us as liberators". Are they now the enemy? Are they terrorists now?
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They are going to say they were tortured even tho they weren't and guys like you and surrender party will run with it....standard operating procedure from your good guys you defend.
But we did torture people it has been proven so your point is worthless.
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