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Waxman not your favorite dude? Well, what is the problem with the Director of the CIA? The written statement, merely read into the record by Waxman, was approved by the Director of the CIA.

Her status is not the issue for the Special Prosecutor, and he is not the authority on her status anyway. It is who to prosecute. Libby lied and got caught, so he was prosecuted and found guilty. There is more to this law than Plame's status needed to justify a prosecution, and I doubt this Special Prosecutor thought another sacrificial anode was the right way to go. So, your question to the Special Prosecutor should be aimed at who was at the center of the crime, and what additional evidence he needed to indict. But it is so much easier to go after the woman, and we all know you and the rest of the boot clicking goons marching for Bush's lazy and underachieving adminstration on this site always take your leader's example and take the easy way for yourselves. Jim
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You really are KV in drag, aren't you? C'mon you can tell me, I wont tell anybody else.

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The facts are:
The assertion you make concerning Plame's status is not official.
The reason the special prosecutor didn't file charges in that regard is because her status wasn't clear and could not be clarified--the law is not sufficiently clear for a determination.
You seem to making statements of fact not backed up by anything. This is a fact: the CIA asked for the investigation, because they considered her an undercover operative covered by the statue :

"The CIA asked for the investigation after Plame's identity was published by syndicated columnist by Robert Novak in July 2003."

CNN.com - Woodward adds twist to CIA leak case - Nov 17, 2005


"Sources told CNN that Plame works in the CIA's Directorate of Operations -- the part of the agency in charge of spying -- and worked in the field for many years as an undercover officer.

"If she were only an analyst, not an operative, we would not have filed a crimes report" with the Justice Department, a senior intelligence official said.

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CNN.com - Bush welcomes probe of CIA leak - Feb. 11, 2004

Now, you also claim to read Fitzgerald's mind, you seem to know that he did not file charges because Plame was not covert, when in fact he has publically said that the statute is so vague he could not charge the people who leaked her name. Do you have something that confirms your Vulcan Mind Meld on your assertion that Fitzgerald decided she was not a covert agent? The CIA said she was. The Congressional Committee put a statement into the record from General Hayden, the Director of the CIA saying she was. The Grand Jury said she was. Do you have anything other than what your Talk Radio Masters have told you?

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Either way about the above, interesting transcript. The dems don't want the truth just hyperbole to further their agenda:

WAXMAN: I am stunned, Ms. Toensing, that you would come here with absolute conclusions that she was not a covert agent; the White House did not leak it; no one seemed to know in advance that she was a CIA agent. Do you know those facts for your own firsthand knowledge?

TOENSING: Well, lets just take those one by one. As I said, I was there. I was the chief drafter for chairman --

WAXMAN: I'm not asking for your credentials. I'm asking how you reached those conclusions. Do you --

TOENSING: That's part of my credentials is because I know what the intent of the act was.

WAXMAN: I'm not asking what the intent of the act was.

TOENSING: Well that’s the question.

WAXMAN: Do you know that she was not a covert agent?

TOENSING: She is not a covert agent under the act.

WAXMAN: Okay, so --

TOENSING: You can call anybody anything you want to in the halls of the CIA.

WAXMAN: General Hayden! General Hayden, head of the CIA, told me personally that she was. If I said that she was a covert agent, it wouldn't be an incorrect statement?

TOENSING: Does he want to swear that she was a covert agent under the act?

WAXMAN: I'm trying to say as carefully as I can. He reviewed my statement, and my statement was that she was a covert agent.

TOENSING: Well, he didn't say it was under the act.

WAXMAN: Okay, so you're trying to define it exactly under the act.

TOENSING: That's important.

WAXMAN: No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not giving you -- I'm not yielding my time to you.

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Either way about the above, interesting transcript. The dems don't want the truth just hyperbole to further their agenda:

WAXMAN: I am stunned, Ms. Toensing, that you would come here with absolute conclusions that she was not a covert agent; the White House did not leak it; no one seemed to know in advance that she was a CIA agent. Do you know those facts for your own firsthand knowledge?

TOENSING: Well, lets just take those one by one. As I said, I was there. I was the chief drafter for chairman --

WAXMAN: I'm not asking for your credentials. I'm asking how you reached those conclusions. Do you --

TOENSING: That's part of my credentials is because I know what the intent of the act was.

WAXMAN: I'm not asking what the intent of the act was.

TOENSING: Well that’s the question.

WAXMAN: Do you know that she was not a covert agent?

TOENSING: She is not a covert agent under the act.

WAXMAN: Okay, so --

TOENSING: You can call anybody anything you want to in the halls of the CIA.

WAXMAN: General Hayden! General Hayden, head of the CIA, told me personally that she was. If I said that she was a covert agent, it wouldn't be an incorrect statement?

TOENSING: Does he want to swear that she was a covert agent under the act?

WAXMAN: I'm trying to say as carefully as I can. He reviewed my statement, and my statement was that she was a covert agent.

TOENSING: Well, he didn't say it was under the act.

WAXMAN: Okay, so you're trying to define it exactly under the act.

TOENSING: That's important.

WAXMAN: No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not giving you -- I'm not yielding my time to you.
This is the truth. The rest is FTL propoganda.

Liberals acting like they are indignant that the CIA might have been damaged. LOL.
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Oh man, get into the spirit of the occasion! It doesn't matter what the facts are, what is important is the innuendo.

And do let us remember that Henry Waxman is an honorable man who would never do or say anything for political gain. He is an Honorable member of the House, and they are all honorable men. Except for Rep. Pelosi, I mean. She is definitely not an honorable man, she is an honorable woman who would never do anything to undermine the military because she is an honorable woman. They are all honorable.
I have the feeling that your Shakespearean references are being lost on the masses...try quoting from Mel Brooks' History of the World Part 1 instead.
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... This is a fact: the CIA asked for the investigation, because they considered her an undercover operative covered by the statue ...
Here, I'll make it simple enough even for you: CIA considered, special prosecutor rejected.

End Of Story, except for the whiners who want some "There" where there is none.

Tough.

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No one from the Left wants to defend Waxman as a standup guy and has no agenda on his schedule? You know an unbiased guy?

I still want to know who KV is....thanks!

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