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Complete BS from Mrs. Wilson. She wasn't covert under the statute and that's the only truth that matters. Libby was never prosecuted for outing her and no one else was either. Libby was tried and convicted for lying to the FBI.

That's it.
The CIA says she was a covert agent under the statute, and they were the ones who filed charges. So what the fuck are you talking about?
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Oh man, get into the spirit of the occasion! It doesn't matter what the facts are, what is important is the innuendo.

And do let us remember that Henry Waxman is an honorable man who would never do or say anything for political gain. He is an Honorable member of the House, and they are all honorable men. Except for Rep. Pelosi, I mean. She is definitely not an honorable man, she is an honorable woman who would never do anything to undermine the military because she is an honorable woman. They are all honorable.
The fact is, the CIA, who employed her, said she was a covert agent under the statute. How do you get around that?
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Complete BS from Mrs. Wilson. She wasn't covert under the statute and that's the only truth that matters. ......
That's it.
How would you know that? Toensing admitted she never asked the CIA, or Plame, if Plame was out of the country working under cover at the time she was outed by Novak. Plame testified she was undercover and out of the country at the time that arrogant, fat, white corpuscle Novak outed her and submitted a statement read into the record that was approved by CIA Director, Gen. Michael V. Hayden, which means the CIA head man substantiated Plame's claim that she WORKED IN A COVERT CAPACITY AT THE TIME OF NOVAK'S COLUMN. Had Toensing known Plame was undercover at that time, without asking, she might have had a case for Plame's cover having already been blown. But she didn't know because Plame WAS undercover, which is what she proved with her superficial testimony.

The eagerness of people to believe the worst of Ms. Plame and her husband, and believe the ranting Victoria Toensing because she claims to have written the law that applies, when she is completely uninformed of the details of the case is peculiar to say the least. Since when does acting as a scribe for a particular bit of legislation relieve you of needing the details of a case to correctly apply the principle of the law?

Where do all you experts on internal CIA personell matters come from? How is it that you know more about, and speak with more authority on the subject of Valeri Plames's status than the Director of the CIA?

Also, the damage to US Intelligence capability is not from losing a single agent and no one ever claimed that. It is the investment in the cover, and the cover of those who shared the cover from all directions of information networking that was lost, which can and likely did subject those agents to serious danger. But it is so much more fun to belittle Plame's role than to consider the time that has been lost and the networks that have been broken by outing this agent, or even just deny she was covert without any first hand knowledge. Clowns. Jim
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The fact is, the CIA, who employed her, said she was a covert agent under the statute. How do you get around that?
The facts are:
The assertion you make concerning Plame's status is not official.
The reason the special prosecutor didn't file charges in that regard is because her status wasn't clear and could not be clarified--the law is not sufficiently clear for a determination.
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The facts are:
The assertion you make concerning Plame's status is not official.
The reason the special prosecutor didn't file charges in that regard is because her status wasn't clear and could not be clarified--the law is not sufficiently clear for a determination.
How do you conclude the status of Plame was not official? The following is a quote from this article in the Washington Post:

"Plame's testimony on the covert nature of her job was buttressed by a statement that Waxman read at the hearing's opening which, he said, was approved by Gen. Michael V. Hayden, the CIA's director. The statement said that Plame worked in a covert capacity at the time of Novak's column and that her employment status was classified under an executive order."

I would say that if the Director of the CIA says she was working on a covert mission at the time she was outed, in writing, that counts as more official than your and a few others' opinions. And, are you quoting Fitzgerald on the reasons why there were no indictments for outing Plame?

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As if FTL cares a whit about the CIA.

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How do you conclude the status of Plame was not official? The following is a quote from this article in the Washington Post:

"Plame's testimony on the covert nature of her job was buttressed by a statement that Waxman read at the hearing's opening which, he said, was approved by Gen. Michael V. Hayden, the CIA's director. The statement said that Plame worked in a covert capacity at the time of Novak's column and that her employment status was classified under an executive order."

I would say that if the Director of the CIA says she was working on a covert mission at the time she was outed, in writing, that counts as more official than your and a few others' opinions. And, are you quoting Fitzgerald on the reasons why there were no indictments for outing Plame?

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Waxman. Hahahaha! There's an unbiased, unimpeachable source for you! Why not get Karl Rove's statement, too?

Now go ask the Special Prosecutor what her status was.

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Waxman. Hahahaha! There's an unbiased, unimpeachable source for you! Why not get Karl Rove's statement, too?

Now go ask the Special Prosecutor what her status was.

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Waxman not your favorite dude? Well, what is the problem with the Director of the CIA? The written statement, merely read into the record by Waxman, was approved by the Director of the CIA.

Her status is not the issue for the Special Prosecutor, and he is not the authority on her status anyway. It is who to prosecute. Libby lied and got caught, so he was prosecuted and found guilty. There is more to this law than Plame's status needed to justify a prosecution, and I doubt this Special Prosecutor thought another sacrificial anode was the right way to go. So, your question to the Special Prosecutor should be aimed at who was at the center of the crime, and what additional evidence he needed to indict. But it is so much easier to go after the woman, and we all know you and the rest of the boot clicking goons marching for Bush's lazy and underachieving adminstration on this site always take your leader's example and take the easy way for yourselves. Jim
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