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Well, isn't that special . . . FTL talking about the constitution . . . Tell us more . . .
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So from what you're saying here it would appear that you don't think that Clinton would not do the same thing if he had had the opportunity? Remember now, we're talking about the guy who wanted to define "is"...............
I think what we are saying is that Bush and his bootlicks lied to Congress, on purpose, with plan aforethought. What is so interesting here is that they lied even when they did not have to lie.
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So from what you're saying here it would appear that you don't think that Clinton would not do the same thing if he had had the opportunity? Remember now, we're talking about the guy who wanted to define "is"...............
Wow, I've not heard that excuse for a while. Clinton would have done it too....?!?!?!

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Wow, I've not heard that excuse for a while. Clinton would have done it too....?!?!?!
That would not be an excuse, it would however be a fact...........
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I think what we are saying is that Bush and his bootlicks lied to Congress, on purpose, with plan aforethought. What is so interesting here is that they lied even when they did not have to lie.
The way I understand it is that they didn't inform Congress, there was no lie involved. Additionally the prosecutors, at least most of them were aligned with the Republican Party (that was what I heard on the radio this moning anyway).
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It is customary for all administrations to demand resignations from all current "at will" office holders. They are kept for future leverage. Whether they were all used or not is something I have not seen reported. Do you have a link, Mr. Proof?
That is NOT what Bush did.

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Democrats playing politics in hope to gain from it in 08.

Even on left leaning biased media last night they admitted
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That would not be an excuse, it would however be a fact...........

The way I understand it is that they didn't inform Congress, there was no lie involved. Additionally the prosecutors, at least most of them were aligned with the Republican Party (that was what I heard on the radio this moning anyway).

That is NOT what Bush did.
Gonzales basically said any prosecutor changes would be brought to the Senate for confirmation. This did not happen. If they had done as Harriet Meirs originally suggested, and replaced them all, this would not be the issue it is. By selecting them on the basis of whether they obeyed the administration, or held to their own loyalty to the rule of law, is a clear politicization of the legal process. It may not be illegal, but it is highly corrupt and unethical.

And yes, ALL of these federal prosecutors were originally appointed by Bush, but CONFIRMED by the Senate to prevent KKKarl Rove's lackeys from being inserted in these positions; the prosecutors are supposed to be loyal to the rule of law, not the President's political agenda.

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It depends on WHY and HOW the firings were done. With blanket resignations/firings [a common tool used for US Attorneys and other Presidential appointments], and renominations by various state Senators for the Attorneys there are standards that go back decades. With SELECTIVE FIRINGS, as we have seen here, there CAN be "political influence" and "selective prosecution" issues that come into play.
Are you kidding, or what? The whole thing is about "political influence", to say otherwise is silly. EVERY President has worked this to his advantage if he possiblely could. Why should Bush be singled out for special treatment?

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It may not be illegal, but it is highly corrupt and unethical.
Only in YOUR opinion. Legal is legal, and it appears that you don't have a way to change that.

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And yes, ALL of these federal prosecutors were originally appointed by Bush, but CONFIRMED by the Senate to prevent KKKarl Rove's lackeys from being inserted in these positions; the prosecutors are supposed to be loyal to the rule of law, not the President's political agenda.
Do you have any idea how stupid those last five words sound? They (and that goes for all the prosecutors appointed by ANY President) are going to be shading what they do to cover the guys that gave them the job they have. That's a fact of life, get used to it. Janet Reno was so blatent as to be obvious, at least the present AG isn quite as obvious, and appologises for his public screw ups.

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Are you kidding, or what? The whole thing is about "political influence", to say otherwise is silly. EVERY President has worked this to his advantage if he possiblely could. Why should Bush be singled out for special treatment?
I agree to the extent you phrased it, but there are lines that cannot be crossed. Take the example of the US Attorney in New Mexico. Former US Attorney David Iglesias of New Mexico testified last week that he felt Sen. Pete Domenici, a New Mexico Republican, was pushing him in October to rush indictments against Democrats before Election Day in November. Domenici then emails notes to Karl Rove who sends notes to White House Counsel who sends notes to AG Gonzales' Chief of Staff.

Now, a President has full discretion as to who are his US Attorneys HOWEVER, when a US Senator tries to influence an election by having a US Attorney “speed up” indictments and then contacts the POLITICAL OFFICE of the White House who contacts Judicial liaison who contacts the Justice Department, THAT is NOT part of the President’s discretion.

This is the problem with only releasing EIGHT. Read the eMails that have already been released. The White House already knew there was a problem, they already knew there would be issues. If they had ethical questions before the trigger was pulled, they had an obligation to the country to make the correct ethical decision, not the one best for their political party.

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