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Why Does America Support Israel?

For many years now, and increasingly these days, this has been the question of questions.

Israel, a nation that routinely violates United Nations resolutions, a nation that maintains a brutal occupation of an indigenous people, depriving that people of almost every human right-this nation of Israel is and has for over fifty years been given full and unqualified support by the United States.

This is a United States that professes to be in favor of self-determination for all peoples, that routinely offers sympathy and empathy and military aid for such nations in their struggles for "freedom."

And yet there persists the fact of US support for Israel that in dollars alone has amounted to some $109 billion over the last fifty years.

Again, the question is, Why? Why, that is, aside from the well-known mythologies: that Israel is a tiny David defending itself against the far more numerous Arab Goliaths which surround it, and which are determined to "drive it into the sea."

That Israel is a popular democracy, trying to remain free among nations that are ruled by cruel Arab tyrants and terrorists; that Israel shares our values-including our Judeo-Christian heritage of the primacy of the individual as opposed to "Oriental" notions of the individual as meaningless.

Or that Israel represents an indispensable ally in the cauldron of competing hatreds that is the Middle East, its support a matter of geopolitics and US self-interest.

Or that support is driven by the "Jewish lobby," a combination of lobbyists and pundits dispensing not only largesse to lawmakers who tow their line, but also the threat of certain defeat for lawmakers who dare to criticize our ally, Israel.

All of which arguments, either alone or together, fail to fully explain the attraction. To the contrary, geopolitically, United States support for Israel grows more self-destructive with each year.

First, as oil-rich Arab nations increasingly find it difficult to justify to their restive populations their willingness to remain American allies in the face of the perceived brutality and injustice of Israel.

And second, as America's unqualified support for Israel compromises the "war on terror" by fueling the flames of hatred against the US and the West.

What, then can possibly explain this? How can one understand the persistent American support for policies that come with such a heavy cost?

Wiping Palestine off the Map

The key, it seems to me, lies in the past. I mean the real past, not the mythologized past, and the parallels that lie in the founding of both nations.

Consider Israel first. Though most Americans probably accept the myths perpetrated by Leon Uris in his novel, Exodus, the truth is something quite other.

The land of Palestine was not, in May 1948 at Israel's founding, the mythologized "empty desert" made to bloom by Israeli settlers. Rather, it was a land occupied by indigenous Arabs-farmers, tradesmen, village dwellers, artists, teachers-for countless generations.

In 1919, for example, Jewish immigrants amounted to only 10% of the residents of the land called Palestine that had been placed under British mandate after World War I.

And that mandate to the British was mainly designed to ensure that the 90% majority Palestinian people achieved self-determination.

The Zionists in control of Jewish policy chose war as their opportunity to seize the vast majority of Palestine.

This was done in conventional battles, but also in terrorist attacks that were designed, via a well-known strategy called Plan D, to terrorize Palestinian civilians into fleeing.

In the almost total absence of a competent Arab fighting force, and aided by the outright betrayal of the Palestinian people by Arab leaders such as King Abdullah of Jordan, the Zionist strategy worked.

Massacres of whole villages such as Dir Yassin created fear and terror in the Palestinian population, and in the end, some 750,000 Palestinians fled from their villages, villages which were then seized by Jewish forces and either obliterated, or completely occupied by Jewish immigrants pouring from Europe into the newly declared state.

Tellingly, that new state, and its constitution, never declared what its boundaries were, this in order to adhere to the original Zionist intention, i.e. that the Jewish state was, sooner or later, to be comprised of all of Palestine.

But how could a new Jewish state take all of Palestine? What of the Palestinians? Zionism has always been very clear about this: the Palestinians would have to go. There is voluminous historical evidence to support this fact. To cite only a few cases:

In 1948, David Ben-Gurion said, "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.
At about the same time, Menahem Begin, future Prime Minister of Israel and winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, put it in even stronger language:

"The partition of the Homeland is illegal. It will never be recognized. The signature of institutions and individuals of the partition agreement is invalid. It will not bind the Jewish people. Jerusalem was and will forever be our capital. Eretz Israel [the Land of Israel] will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And forever."

In 1998, prime minister Ariel Sharon made clear that despite much hoopla about peace agreements in the years from 1948 to the century's end, nothing had changed:

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonization or Jewish state without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."

And as recently as May 24, 2006, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said this to a joint session of the US Congress: "I believed and to this day still believe, in our people's eternal and historic right to this entire land."

How could presumably rational people believe they could get away with such open and massive theft?

The answer must lie in what Edward Said called the most sophisticated propaganda machine ever assembled, a machine that began its work very early to denigrate Arabs, to slander Palestinians, to deny their very existence.

For example, in October of 1947, American rabbi and Zionist leader Abba Hillel Silver said:

"There has never been a politically or culturally distinct or distinguishable Arab nation in Palestine. Palestine dropped out of history after the Arab conquest."

The Settler Mentality

The strongest explanation for the widespread American inclination to accept without question all Israeli rationalizations for their right to steal a whole country is simply a repeating of an all-too-familiar sanction, a God-given sanction, for European Jews to "redeem the land" once misnamed Palestine.

It is simply a matter of parallel logic: that the indigenous Arabs, like the indigenous Native Americans, should have no authentic right to a land they merely occupied and did nothing to develop.

It is simply a question of superior right, both in the sense of a title attested to by an unimpeachable source, the Holy Bible, and in the sense of rightousness, of an inherent, naturally-ordained, racially and morally reinforced right.

A right reserved by the only true God for the only truly "civilized" peoples, those emigrating from Europe-peoples related, after all, to those early American forebears whom God had previously guided across the Atlantic so they could "discover" and "redeem" in his name another entirely empty "new world" and save its satanic inhabitants from degradation and perdition.

Must not all true Americans hold these notions to be self-evident? Part of the divine plan?

They must. For to question them, to, even for a moment, step back and look at them objectively and notice the arrogance and racism and theft and wholesale exploitation and slaughter they entail, would be to watch in horror as they collapse of their own cruel and deluded and criminal weight.

To see that the rape of the north American continent by successive waves of European colonizers was just as abominable as the rape of Palestine by the European Jewish movement known as Zionism.

Just as racist. Just as cruel. Just as outrageous and illegal and unjustifiable in any world in which the word justice has the slightest meaning.

And so most Americans do not question. They do not read. They do not notice the lies and evasions and self-justifications in their own histories, or in the histories of Israel.

They simply nod their heads and agree that this never-ending conflict must be due to the terrorists, to the flaws in the Arab mind, in the Muslim religion, to something in the middle eastern air.

And give their approval to a continuing abomination that must inevitably, and sooner now rather than later, result in some very bitter chickens coming home to roost.

As a December 3, 2006 Los Angeles Times article, "Middle East Allies Near a State of Panic," concluded: "Amr Moussa, secretary-general of the Arab League, warn(ed) that the Middle East was becoming "an abyss.... The region is facing real failure."
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"And so most Americans do not question. They do not read. They do not notice the lies and evasions and self-justifications in their own histories, or in the histories of Israel."

That is the answer to your question.

It is a common liberal affliction. An inability to draw moral comparisons.

A dog is a boy is a fish is a frog.

Bush and Bin laden are the same.

Israel and the Arabs are equally to blame.

The US is just like Nazi germany.

You will always be self loathing and confused. Talking to you about Israel would be as productive as having a conversation with a squirrell about anything other than burying nuts.
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All these years, all of those billions of dollars, and not a drop of oil. What have we been thinking?

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Here is a simple answer: Anyone who questions why we support Israel will have his repuitation smeared. I can prove it right here just wait for the responses if I for example show this link: What Did Israel Know in Advance of the 9/11 Attacks?

So as I was saying not a single politician in this country would even venture into asking that question or why we support Israel.
Now all I have to do is wait for the usual insults.
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why does America support Israel? because America is run by Israelis!!

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why does America support Israel? because America is run by Israelis!!
Only Hollwood is run by Jews, you bigot.

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