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Allies regularly spy on each other. Theres nothing new to that.

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Allies regularly spy on each other. Theres nothing new to that.
Bullshit, Israel came forward many times and said that they don't spy on us and they appreciate our billions with no strings attached.
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Get real Bot if we were their only dependable ally like you put it then why do they spy on us? Just answer this question and I will maybe believe the rest of the bs in your answer.
To get information advantageous to them that they can get no other way.

If you don't think that we spy on all of our allies and they on us, then you are very, very naive.

For example, I have absolutely no doubt that we spy on the UK and they spy on us. That's a good thing, IMO. It is one way of assuring honesty--trust but verify, dontcha know. If we're telling them one thing and doing something else then we aren't much damn good as allies to the UK, for example.

Now sometimes friendly powers screw-up in their spying. Like the Pollard case. I hope to goodness that bastard never gets out of jail and I'm proud of Bill Clinton for resisting some awfully powerful people in that case. Clinton could very easily have pulled a Marc Rich, but didn't. And Hillary is paying the price.

On the other hand, israel has given several indication that it doesn't want to go through that embarrassment again by essentially not helping would be spies when American authorities found them out. I know of 2 cases like that in the past decade or so. That sends a powerful signal in a subtle way.

A better argument from your perspective (in my opinion), would be to bring-up the unconscionable attack on an American Navy vessel during the 1968 war. From my perspective there has never been adequate explanation and the sailors and their families have been treated abysmally by our own government, much less Israel.

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To get information advantageous to them that they can get no other way.

If you don't think that we spy on all of our allies and they on us, then you are very, very naive.

For example, I have absolutely no doubt that we spy on the UK and they spy on us. That's a good thing, IMO. It is one way of assuring honesty--trust but verify, dontcha know. If we're telling them one thing and doing something else then we aren't much damn good as allies to the UK, for example.

Now sometimes friendly powers screw-up in their spying. Like the Pollard case. I hope to goodness that bastard never gets out of jail and I'm proud of Bill Clinton for resisting some awfully powerful people in that case. Clinton could very easily have pulled a Marc Rich, but didn't. And Hillary is paying the price.

On the other hand, israel has given several indication that it doesn't want to go through that embarrassment again by essentially not helping would be spies when American authorities found them out. I know of 2 cases like that in the past decade or so. That sends a powerful signal in a subtle way.

A better argument from your perspective (in my opinion), would be to bring-up the unconscionable attack on an American Navy vessel during the 1968 war. From my perspective there has never been adequate explanation and the sailors and their families have been treated abysmally by our own government, much less Israel.

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I see reason in what you said and I know that we spy on each others but for a country like Israel to come out in the open and say that it does not yet we just opened a case with the two guys from AIPAC is just amazing. Are we asleep at the wheel? Did you know that Israel is now asking for even a larger chunk of FREE military aid in the tune of billions? Why do we still support them and that's the main question for this thread.
I am for supporting Israel as long as we benefit from it. Right now all we are getting is a crying baby asking for more and have the audacity to ask us to clean his diaper too. I think we should hold Israel to a standard no?
Something like clean up your own shit and get a real peace process in place rather than extend the suffering so they can milk us dry. Why do you think Israel has no incentives in making peace with the Palestinians? oh oh oh let me answer for you: The Palestinians don't want peace they want to kill the Jews, right? The Arabs want to wipe out Israel from the map, right? So why are we paying the Palestinians? Why are we allowing the Saudis and other GCC countries support the Palestinians? Why are we pinning our hopes on the Palestinians to have a democratically elected government yet we don't accept what they vote for because it was unacceptable to the Israelis? Are the Israelis our mouth piece? Can't we think on our own? can't we have a say since we are paying both parties to fuck us with no lubrication?
I say dump them both and let's see how they quickly make peace because their survival will hinge on it rather than our taxpayers money.
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Even we deny our own spying. Under the Geneva Convention, spies are not protected and it is known that often times if the spies are caught they are on their own.

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Even we deny our own spying. Under the Geneva Convention, spies are not protected and it is known that often times if the spies are caught they are on their own.
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would you still pay billions when lied to and actually being harmed by Israel's policies that do not help our credibility in that region?
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Bit OT but can someone explain to me why jewish people are resented so much? I just don't get it...what's wrong with Hollywood being run by them? Is there major prejudice towards them in the US?
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Bit OT but can someone explain to me why jewish people are resented so much? I just don't get it...what's wrong with Hollywood being run by them? Is there major prejudice towards them in the US?
Just one poster here has a problem with Jews
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Bit OT but can someone explain to me why jewish people are resented so much? I just don't get it...what's wrong with Hollywood being run by them? Is there major prejudice towards them in the US?
Many of us detest people who make themselves out as victims. You know, the whole "Oooh ooh pity us, a nasty man with a silly mustache put millions of us in large easy bake ovens and tatooed numbers on our forearms....we didn't really think Jesus was the messiah, honest.....nobody wants us in their back yards.......waaaah waaaaah waaaaaah" gets old after a few generations.

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