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Because the left wing nuts want a crime to have been committed doesn't mean a crime was committed.
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True, and true.

But, I don't believe that anyone would have been asking questions that required false or misleading testimony if there wasn't something to investigate in the first place.

Well, outing a CIA agent is a crime, is it not? Why do you say there was nothing to be investigated? It is obvious to anyone that has read the testimony that Cheney sought to do exactly that, and he and his co-conspirators simply beat the rap on technicalities. Do you deny that Cheney and Libby in fact intentionally sought to make Ms. Plame's status as a CIA agent known to the press? Did the state not have a right to investigate their activities, given the law on outing CIA agents? Did those called upon to testify have right to make their own judgements on the rightness of the state's investigation that gave them the right to commit perjury?

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Well, outing a CIA agent is a crime, is it not? Why do you say there was nothing to be investigated? It is obvious to anyone that has read the testimony that Cheney sought to do exactly that, and he and his co-conspirators simply beat the rap on technicalities. Do you deny that Cheney and Libby in fact intentionally sought to make Ms. Plame's status as a CIA agent known to the press? Did the state not have a right to investigate their activities, given the law on outing CIA agents? Did those called upon to testify have right to make their own judgements on the rightness of the state's investigation that gave them the right to commit perjury?

Umm wasnt it someone else who released the name?? UMm maybe his name was Armitage?? Either way a crime was not committed by releasing her name, so there was no need to do an ivestigation on a crime that didnt happen. Acording to the jury Libby lied so hes off to prision, but it seemed to be more of a witch hunt than anything.

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Well, outing a CIA agent is a crime, is it not? Why do you say there was nothing to be investigated? It is obvious to anyone that has read the testimony that Cheney sought to do exactly that, and he and his co-conspirators simply beat the rap on technicalities. Do you deny that Cheney and Libby in fact intentionally sought to make Ms. Plame's status as a CIA agent known to the press? Did the state not have a right to investigate their activities, given the law on outing CIA agents? Did those called upon to testify have right to make their own judgements on the rightness of the state's investigation that gave them the right to commit perjury?
It's a crime only if the agent has a certain status. There are several facts that have to be proven that are up for argument.
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Umm wasnt it someone else who released the name?? UMm maybe his name was Armitage?? Either way a crime was not committed by releasing her name, so there was no need to do an ivestigation on a crime that didnt happen. Acording to the jury Libby lied so hes off to prision, but it seemed to be more of a witch hunt than anything.
Let's repeat this one more time: Libby leaked her name independent of Armitage. He also leaked classified information.

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Well, outing a CIA agent is a crime, is it not? Why do you say there was nothing to be investigated? It is obvious to anyone that has read the testimony that Cheney sought to do exactly that, and he and his co-conspirators simply beat the rap on technicalities. Do you deny that Cheney and Libby in fact intentionally sought to make Ms. Plame's status as a CIA agent known to the press? Did the state not have a right to investigate their activities, given the law on outing CIA agents? Did those called upon to testify have right to make their own judgements on the rightness of the state's investigation that gave them the right to commit perjury?
Ah... yes, I didn't, oh?, no, yes, no.

This is the second time this thread that you have taken what I said exactly opposite of what I meant.

Now cut it out.
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Not a realist, just a left wing nut.

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No, I guess you're right. It's all a big witch hunt perpetrated by the LIBERAL... EVERYBODY except the administration.

You don't have to be a left wing nut to share the same opinion with them on this.
(Or is empathy liberal in itself? Too accepting for the common neocon? Concervative ideology was never meant to be limited to a herd mentality.)

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Let's repeat this one more time: Libby leaked her name independent of Armitage. He also leaked classified information.
Why then was he not also charged for those crimes?
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