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"The purpose of the War Powers Resolution is to ensure that Congress and the President share in making decisions that may get the U.S. involved in hostilities. Portions of the War Powers Resolution require the President to consult with Congress prior to the start of any hostilities as well as regularly until U.S. armed forces are no longer engaged in hostilities (Sec. 3); and to remove U.S. armed forces from hostilities if Congress has not declared war or passed a resolution authorizing the use of force within 60 days (Sec. 5(b)). Following an official request by the President to Congress, the time limit can be extended by an additional 30 days (presumably when "unavoidable military necessity" requires additional action for a safe withdrawal).

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As I said: "The President can send our military into war any time, anywhere, w/ anyone, w/out Congress doing anything! Show us where it says he cannot."

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Yes, GS, there were a handful. Chaffee from Rhode Island comes to mind. I agree there were not too many, but why bother making all the WMD shit up and risking the consequences of being found out, like they are now, when they could have just said "I want to depose Saddam, and screw the costs" if they could have gotten their way? Jim
That's exactly what happened (wink, wink). Do you really believe that any intelligent human being charged with responsibility in that arena, actually believed that while Saddam Hussein's Iraq was firmly lodged under our thumb, they were cooking up nuclear weapons and handing them off to Al Qaeda while we were sleeping? That's just about the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. And again, that Congress gave the Bush administration every single little thing it ever requested. I can think of no exceptions. Why the bs story? They still had to pass the sniff test in regard to the U.S. electorate, a less than daunting task.

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How Orwellian of you...

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How Orwellian of you...
Orwellian is defined as "inimical to the welfare of a free-society" and I think no honest person is going to go along w/ you on that. Left is inimical to the welfare of a free-society and I think you need to get a clue...

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Orwellian is defined as "inimical to the welfare of a free-society" and I think no honest person is going to go along w/ you on that. Left is inimical to the welfare of a free-society and I think you need to get a clue...
And you said you weren't confused....

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That's exactly what happened (wink, wink). Do you really believe that any intelligent human being charged with responsibility in that arena, actually believed that while Saddam Hussein's Iraq was firmly lodged under our thumb, they were cooking up nuclear weapons and handing them off to Al Qaeda while we were sleeping? That's just about the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. And again, that Congress gave the Bush administration every single little thing it ever requested. I can think of no exceptions. Why the bs story? They still had to pass the sniff test in regard to the U.S. electorate.
The BS story was to cover the nation building bullshit, which was not specifically authorized by the resolution. They figured they would find enough to make noise about, scare the shit out of the electorate by telling them how fortunate it was found in time, and now we would need to make sure Iraq never did it again by making them a free and loving flower of democracy. Saddam had the last laugh, and ever since, it has been a game of trying to make up an alternative rationale to cover their tracks and keep the plan going. Both the insurgents and the lack of WMDs were simply not foreseen by these morons, who, like Hitler, bought so much of their own bullshit it destroyed them.
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As I said: "The President can send our military into war any time, anywhere, w/ anyone, w/out Congress doing anything! Show us where it says he cannot."
You are sounding like a pet bird, Jaybaugh, repeating little phrases you don't understand the meaning of because your skill in this area is limited to mimmicing what you heard somewhere else. Prove me wrong and show us where the Constitution grants the President those specific authorities - afterall this is a view point you brought up. Support it with something other than "polywannacracker-like repetition" of something you don't comprehend.

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Oh, now I see: We should have a national vote, or sit around in a circle, to decide if a WAR is appropriate... That will definitely solve all our terrorist problems in the future Jimmy. You go boy...
Well we already know what happens to a country that gets taken over by right wing extremists.

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Well, suffice it to say you and I have an honest disagreement. I am not making "a little NeoCon attempt" to do anything, thank you very much. I believe that when Congress authorizes a war it has the responsibility to fund it. If Congress has changed its mind due to the election in 2006 it should de-authorize the war and provide funds to bring the troops home.

It should NOT, IMHO, order generals and the executive branch around with arbitrary timelines and meaningless benchmarks.
Anytime I see "Abandoning the Troops" or "Not Supporting the Troops" in a post then yeah, I see that as NeoCon theatre. Since it has no validity in reality – as in no one is actually proposing to abandon the troops or to stop supporting the troops – and are only proposing putting a timeline on the administration’s seemingly unlimited warplan.

See, the problem is that Bushie spent SIX years without Congressional Checks and Balances which would normally keep an Administration governing in a responsible manner. But this particular Administration had SIX years of open checkbook, "don’t gotta answer to anyone" and now that there are actual Checks and Balances, the NeoCon[NewConfused] contingent is having a hard time grasping at that as a normal part of the governmental process.

That annoying little 2006 election was the American people’s way of telling Bushie that Checks and Balances are important.

The American People have demanded Benchmarks. EVERY POLL has said that we are tired of the way this war has been prosecuted. EVERY POLL has said that the people are not happy with the way this Administration is running this Country. It is the responsibility of the Congress to execute the will of the people. That is their job. If the President can’t understand the message, Congress is going to keep sending it to him until he does. That is their job. It is a shame that the partisan NewCon Congress for SIX years failed to execute their Congressional duties of Checks and Balances. Maybe we would not be where we are now.

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Don't confuse your disagreement w/ mcbear as "honest." He cheats!
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